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Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint

Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:19 am

My goal is to keep this post updated. This is version 2.0 -- very much a work in progress. Additions and corrections are welcome.

Songs on Discs 1-27 of the Complete Masters set that are not included on the Franklin Mint set:
_Beyond the Reef (with overdubs?)
_Britches
_Dainty Little Moonbeams
_Danny
_Dominick
_For the Good Times (studio version)
_Girls! Girls! Girls! Finale
_I'll Be Home on Christmas Day (remake)
_I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone (slow version)
_My Way (studio version)
_Plantation Rock
_Signs of the Zodiac
_Something (midnight Aug. 11, 1970, version)
_Suppose (overdubbed home recording)
_Swing Down Sweet Chariot (1968 version)
_The Lady Loves Me
_The Whiffenpoof Song
_Tiger Man (March 1975 studio jam)
_Tomorrow Night (original without overdubs)
_Violet
_When It Rains, It Really Pours (Sun version)
_You Don't Know Me (from Clambake session)
_You're the Boss

Songs on the Franklin Mint set that are included on discs 28-30 of the Complete Masters:
_Doncha Think It's Time (LP master) [disc 28, track 10]
_I'm Yours (single master) [disc 28, track 17]
_Lover Doll (LP master) [disc 28, track 9]
_Tomorrow Night (overdubbed version) [disc 28, track 24]

Discs 28-30 of the Complete Masters include 80 other "rarities" that are not included on the Franklin Mint set.
There has been no evidence presented that the material on these discs was newly remastered for the release of the Complete Masters.

Almost all of the tracks on these discs sound identical to previous releases. One exception is "I'm a Roustabout," which sounds clearly different from its release on the 2nd to None collection: 2nd to None, Complete Masters. However, it is possible the two versions are simply equalized differently, and there has been no official report that the Complete Maseters version is derived from a new source or was newly remastered for the 30-disc set.

Audio credits for the Complete Masters set
Mastered by Vic Anesini
Assisted by Maria Triana
at Sony Music Studios, New York

Except Discs 28-30 Mastered by Lene Reidel

Disc 1: Thanks to Kevan Budd
for his research, restoration
and additional mastering on Elvis' Sun recordings

Audio consultant: Sebastian Jeansson
These credits suggest that Doncha Think It's Time (LP master), I'm Yours, Lover Doll (LP master) and Tomorrow Night (overdubbed version) on the Franklin Mint set are drawn from Lene Reidel's mastering.

No official information has been released that contradicts these credits as of Jan. 21, 2011.

Releases during Elvis' lifetime that are considered alternate masters by some people but are not included on the Complete Masters or Franklin Mint sets:
_The version of "A Little Less Conversation" relased in 1970 on the Almost in Love Camden LP is not included. (In addition to the single master, the Complete Masters set includes the June 1968 version recorded for the NBC-TV Special.)
_Take 2 of "I Love You Because," which was released on Volume 1 of A Legendary Performer in 1974 is not included. (The master was a splice of takes 3 and 5.)
_Take 15 of "I Want You, I Need You, I Love You," which was included on Volume 2 of A Legendary Performer in 1976 is not included. (The master was a splice of takes 14 and 17.)
_The version of "Long, Lonely Highway" (2:57) first released on a single is not included. (The album master runs for 2:23 and is included.)
_Take 5 of "Old Shep," which was released accidentally on some pressings of the 1956 Elvis LP, is not included.
_The false starts (takes 2 and 3) and the announcement of take 4 of "Such a Night" that were included on Volume 2 of A Legendary Performer in 1976 are not included. (The master was take 5.)
_Take 17 of "Stay Away Joe," which was used in the film and accidentally released in 1970 on the first pressings of the Almost in Love Camden LP in place of "Stay Away" is not included. (The overdubbed record master is included.)

Notable -- objective -- problems on the sets:
__Lawdy, Miss Clawdy/Baby, What You Want Me To Do Medley: Heartbreak Hotel/Hound Dog/All Shook Up/Can't Help Falling In Love/Jailhouse Rock/Love Me Tender (disc 16, track 8) includes about 10 seconds of intermittent distortion beginning about 10:50. The problem, which may be tape damage, is also present on the Franklin Mint set and on the album masters on the This may be tape damage and is also present on the 40th anniversary box set of the 2008 Complete 68 Comeback Special: 40th Anniversary Edition box set. However, on the 40th anniversary box set, the fault is not found on the original album master on disc 1, but only on disc 3, which is part of the "complete" recordings. It appears the Comeback Special has been re-edited from the original tapes for the Complete Masters and Franklin Mint sets.
_She's Not You fades about seven seconds early on the original pressing of the Franklin Mint set. Replacement discs were delivered to buyers. This error is not present on the Complete Masters.
_Promised Land's opening is clipped, with one cowbell strike missing on the Complete Masters and the Franklin Mint sets. It is complete on Elvis 75: Good Rockin' Tonight, suggesting this may be a timing error. (Elvis 75's intro followed by Franklin Mint's)
_Tomorrow Night (overdubbed) has a clipped beginning, with one note missing on the Complete Masters and Franklin Mint sets.

Reported -- though sometimes tiny -- discrepancies from original mixes:
_I Slipped, I Stumbled, I Fell uses a mix without the echo that was present on the original Something for Everybody mix. [original, remix. Ernst has indicated that this was a deliberate decision.]
_I Want to Be Free is missing a splice from "pickup 2nd ending" (2012, take 2). [ETMAHM #88, Page 24]
_I'm Yours (single master) is missing a splice at the end of the song that repairs a minor defect. [single master, unrepaired take]
_Rags to Riches is spliced slightly differently than the original master. [ETMAHM #88, Page 24]
_White Christmas omits Elvis' finger-snap at the beginning of the song. [original, new]
In a number of other cases, stereo mixes have been used though mono versions were originally released. [Ernst has not addressed all of these cases individually, but speaking generally he indicated this was a deliberate decision.]
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For my analysis of which tracks are in "perfect" mono on the Franklin Mint set, please see this post: http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55581&start=87
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Following are various observations that do not yet fit into any category above:

The release of Complete Masters put to rest a debate over whether two songs missing from some online track listings are included on the Complete Masters set. Included on the set are Big Boots [disc 5, track 30] and Let's Forget About the Stars [disc 16, track 9]

* Almost in Love includes the full instrumental introduction, which is about seven seconds longer than the LP master. The song was originally released as the b-side of A Little Less Conversation, and it seems the introduction was complete on the single.

* The Franklin Mint and Complete Masters sets includes the short (1:02) solo version of Mama, rather than the composite version spliced with the Amigos' introduction, as originally released on the Let's Be Friends LP.

* The opening of "Rags to Riches" is slightly clipped compared with the stereo mix that was released on Elvis Aron Presley. However, the opening matches that of the original mono single. (Complete Masters, single and Elvis Aron Presley)

* The opening of "Scratch My Back" is missing a note of the opening, compared with the remixed version available on the Double Features series. However, this matches how the song was originally released on the soundtrack album. This snippet is also missing on the Follow That Dream version of Paradise, Hawaiian Style.

There has been a contention that the opening of "She's Not You" sounds clipped. However, this is not widely confirmed from these sources: Complete Masters, From Nashville to Memphis, Potluck (Follow That Dream).

* Silent Night on the Franklin Mint set includes the piano intro that has been omittted on many other releases.

* The Jordanaires' introduction of "Spring Fever" lacks the "S" sound of "Spring." However, this trimmed version has been released consistently, and it seems this matches the original master. (Complete Masters, first FTD pressing, Double Features and CMG budget release)

* The 1968 version of Swing Down Sweet Chariot, which is included on the Complete Masters but not on the Franklin Mint, is the record version of the song, with the female backing (presumably the Blossoms) rather than the Mello Men. The movie version with the male backing was originally released on Legendary Performer Volume 4. The female version was not released until 2009 on I Believe: The Gospel Masters.

* The overdubbed version of Tomorrow Night on the Franklin Mint set runs at the slowed speed used for its original release on the Elvis for Everyone LP.

* The nonsoundtrack remake of You Don't Know Me (disc 15, track 14 on the Complete Masters) includes a dropout near the 16-second mark. The dropout is also present on the Franklin Mint set, as well as the Follow That Dream and 2010 budget reissues of the Clambake album. It remains unconfirmed whether this tape fault matches the original release. The dropout is not present on the 2011 Follow That Dream album Guitar Man, whose mastering was credited to Sebastian Jeansson.
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Special thanks to Claus, Matthew, luckyjackson1 and Alexander for many valuable contributions to this post and related threads.
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Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:46 pm

Mama on the FM set is the short solo version.
Almost In Love is the complete master.
A Little Less Conversation (album version) is missing.
The tracks from Elvis Country are the remixes from the 70s box.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:01 pm

Claus wrote:...The tracks from Elvis Country are the remixes from the 70s box.

Does this also apply to 'There Goes My Everything'? AFAIK, the original mix of this track (without the 'I Was Born ..' snippets) can be found on 'Love, Elvis'. I had hoped that Sony would use this mix from now on.

BTW, great information, elvissessions!

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:05 pm

Sebastian E wrote:
Claus wrote:...The tracks from Elvis Country are the remixes from the 70s box.

Does this also apply to 'There Goes My Everything'? AFAIK, the original mix of this track (without the 'I Was Born ..' snippets) can be found on 'Love, Elvis'. I had hoped that Sony would use this mix from now on.

BTW, great information, elvissessions!


I'll check tonight and report back.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:10 pm

Thanks, Claus. ::rocks

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:34 pm

Yeah, I'd be happy to find out about it, too! :D

Great work as usual, elvissessions! Thanks a lot. Fantastic read.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:53 pm

AWESOME info, it seems cracks are beginning to show, certainly in the FM set, lot of money for errors too ..........

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:56 pm

Claus, I have added your updates and included credits to you. I'll continue this for any other revisions people have to offer in this thread or any others I find along the way.

In some cases, such as Mama, my memory just needed to be jogged.

In others, I could use even more information, if anyone has it. For example, I just realized that it has never occurred to me before to check whether the Almost in Love intro was complete when it was first released as the b-side of the A Little Less Conversation single. Elvisrecordings.com and keithflynn.com both explicitly mention that the LP master is cropped. Does that suggest the intro was intact on the single? I never thought so, but I realize now I don't know for sure.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:31 pm

As far as I know the intro was intact on the Rare Elvis, Vol. 3 LP and in the liner notes Helmut Radermacher wrote that it's the single version with the unedited intro they used there.

The intro was cropped on my copy of the pickwick LP.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:39 pm

Here are some more additions:

Promised Land - The beginning is clipped on the FM set. It's complete on the Elvis 75 box.

White Christmas - Missing Elvis' finger-snap during the first couple of seconds of the song.
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Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:40 pm

Very interesting details about Almost in Love. I'm glad it occurred to me to ask.

I had always assumed Almost in Love had not been released in full until the Double Features disc came out. I had chalked the longer Almost in Love intro up to revisionist history, but if you are correct, then we're getting back to the original "truth."

This marks the second discovery for me from the Franklin Mint set. (The first was the original sound of Kitty White's vocals on Crawfish; the echo came as quite a surprise to me after many years of listening to the dry mix.)

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:22 pm

Promised Land - The beginning is clipped on the FM set. It's complete on the Elvis 75 box.


Perhaps the fact that this is intact on Elvis 75 gives us some hope that the Anesini version of the overdubbed Tomorrow Night is not intrinsically fouled up.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:35 pm

Perhaps the fact that this is intact on Elvis 75 gives us some hope that the Anesini version of the overdubbed Tomorrow Night is not intrinsically fouled up.


The question is if it runs at the "correct" speed (I mean the way it was released back in '65...)

BTW, I think the Sony Set will also use the short stereo version of "Mama" as well as the undubbed "master" of "Beyond The Reef". So most likely the overdubbed version of the latter won't be included.

Just a few thoughts though. Sorry, I know this won't help much.
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Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:37 pm

luckyjackson1 wrote:
Perhaps the fact that this is intact on Elvis 75 gives us some hope that the Anesini version of the overdubbed Tomorrow Night is not intrinsically fouled up.


The question is if it runs at the "correct" speed (I mean the way it was released back in '65...)


It does.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:40 pm

Removed because I misread luckyjackson1's post.
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Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:42 pm

Removed because I misread luckyjackson1's post.
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Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:42 pm

(The first was the original sound of Kitty White's vocals on Crawfish; the echo came as quite a surprise to me after many years of listening to the dry mix.)


Just listen to the King Creole FTD, there you'll have it too - also the whole soundtrack sounds fantastic on that one!

@Claus: Thanks for the info! :D

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:53 pm

* The Franklin Mint set includes the single master of A Little Less Conversation, but not the album master. The Complete Masters set includes two versions, one of them on Disc 30. Which version will be included among the core masters collection remains to be seen. (Claus)


I think that will be the the one that was used for the remix (Elvis vocal overdubbed on June 24, 1968)... ???

So, like Claus already wrote, this would (unfortunately) omit the album master (Take 10)...

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint

Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:58 pm

You may be right. Perhaps the track placement goes to support that theory. For now, though, I will still treat it as an unresolved question in the original post. However, all of these additional notes will be useful to folks to draw their own deductions. Thank you.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint

Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:29 pm

elvissessions wrote:_Let's Forget About the Stars uses a stereo mix that de-emphasizes a piano part that was more prominent in the original U.S. Male mono mix.

Which mix was used on the 'Let's Be Friends' Camden LP? Was it a mono mix, too?

AFAIK the FM set contains a stereo mix that does emphasize the piano (unlike the recent cd reissue of 'Let's Be Friends' which uses the Double Features remix where the piano is barely audible). I presumed that this is the original (stereo) mix.

Another thing I noticed from the few FM tracks I had a chance to hear is that the FM set contains a mix for 'Padre' that is different from the one featured on the cd release of 'Elvis' (Fool). As I don't have the this album on vinyl I can't assess which one is the original mix, but I would suspect that the song was remixed by Dennis Ferrante for the cd release of 'Elvis'.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint

Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:44 pm

Which mix was used on the 'Let's Be Friends' Camden LP? Was it a mono mix, too?


Yup.

I presumed that this is the original (stereo) mix.


Me too. If there ever was one back in '68 then it's most likely this one.

What the hell does AFAIK mean??? As far as I know??? :smt002

Another thing I noticed from the few FM tracks I had a chance to hear is that the FM set contains a mix for 'Padre' that is different from the one featured on the cd release of 'Elvis' (Fool). As I don't have the this album on vinyl I can't assess which one is the original mix, but I would suspect that the song was remixed by Dennis Ferrante for the cd release of 'Elvis'.


That sounds interesting. Although it CANNOT sound good (and as far as I remember it doesn't), it would be nice to find out more about it, if Ferrante really remixed it...

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint

Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:54 pm

So 'Let's Forget About The Stars' was never released in stereo prior to the Double Features cd? :?

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint

Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:35 pm

Sebastian E wrote:So 'Let's Forget About The Stars' was never released in stereo prior to the Double Features cd? :?


I don't think so but I'm not sure.

Here's the mono version

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Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint,

Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:51 pm

Sebastian E wrote:
Claus wrote:...The tracks from Elvis Country are the remixes from the 70s box.

Does this also apply to 'There Goes My Everything'? AFAIK, the original mix of this track (without the 'I Was Born ..' snippets) can be found on 'Love, Elvis'. I had hoped that Sony would use this mix from now on.

BTW, great information, elvissessions!


There Goes My Everything on FM is the same mix as on the 70s box, The mix on Love, Elvis is indeed different but I don't know if it's the original mix.

Re: Complete Masters compared/contrasted with Franklin Mint

Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:41 pm

I just realized that the US single contained a mono mix. This is therefore the 'original mix'. I guess one has to consider the 'Elvis Country' mix as the 'original stereo mix'. Where did the 'Love, Elvis' mix come from? Was the song issued on a stereo single in Europe?

If this is the case, then it’s a shame that the FM set (and presumably the Sony set) features the 70’s box remix.