FTD 'On Tour' Deluxe Release Confirmed

[Rockin_John]

My question is will the 3 songs that weren't on the Hampton bootlegs be on this FTD? (Mountain/I Got a Woman/Never Been to Spain)

If they release the show, I'm sure it will be the complete one.

[pmp]

Could Ernst not have contacted Erik directly? The whole thing seems odd. Plus we’ve been buying bootlegs for years, stolen recordings. I don’t see any objection from Ernst about that lately.

I suspect he has - that is the implication given by DavidE’s communication. As far as us fans are concerned, we have received statements by two parties - one from the FTD camp ie Ernst via David English that states Erik is using material in his books without permission from Ernst and now a new one from Eric’s camp via "galaxie" whoever they are, disputing that any contact has been made and that nothing has been stolen.

I guess we could discuss this for the next year but in the absence of more info and clarification as to what the material is and where it was originally sourced from, we’ll just be going round in circles no closer to the truth than we are now.

The thing I take away from this is that it doesn't look good that this dirty laundry is being aired in public. What's more, we don't really know what materials are being copied, if anything. And is the material Erik is allegedly using even copyrighted?

I'm also very surprised that Sony themselves are OK with one of their employees coming out with this kind of comment in the first place. It seems wildly unprofessional to me, and what if the comment turns out to be libellous? Surely Sony's legal department will not be happy with one of their employees throwing these comments out there.

[galaxie]

Its blatant theft and it is NOT ok in any way, shape or form!
Infact there is a court case there but the costs & time involved probably preclude that and Erik may well be hedging his bets on this very fact !

i think your assuming Ernst left his notebook on Eriks coffee table , even if he did thats still not permission to steal the contents !! Its more likely Erik has simply photo copied the pages from
" A Life In Music" - Again still far from ok or legal!

This assumption is so childish, like you were there at the same 'coffee table' with Erik and ernst. Nonsense. That's what this is. If you know nothing you better shush.

[Robert]

My question is will the 3 songs that weren't on the Hampton bootlegs be on this FTD? (Mountain/I Got a Woman/Never Been to Spain)

If they release the show, I'm sure it will be the complete one.

Never been to Spain may still be missing, there must be some documentation on this.. wink.
If so, they should fill this gap with the Richmond version, no major drama.

[Rockin_John]

My question is will the 3 songs that weren't on the Hampton bootlegs be on this FTD? (Mountain/I Got a Woman/Never Been to Spain)

If they release the show, I'm sure it will be the complete one.

Never been to Spain may still be missing, there must be some documentation on this.. wink.
If so, they should fill this gap with the Richmond version, no major drama.

There's no reason to think that Sony doesn't have the complete show.

[robbie]

You probably don't understand what I mean. As I said: many people in the Elvis world are dishonest. That's all.

You better believe it

[Rockin_John]

You probably don't understand what I mean. As I said: many people in the Elvis world are dishonest. That's all.

"many people in the world are dishonest. That's all."

[Christopher]

You probably don't understand what I mean. As I said: many people in the Elvis world are dishonest. That's all.

"many people in the world are dishonest. That's all."

exactly what i wanted to write, but didn´t.
if everybody was, wouldn´t it be nice, if authorities could simply ask and the thief or the murderer would simply answer: yes, i did it.

[draig goch]

Don't agree at all with all the negativity towards the set. I love my FTD books that come from David to death and am so glad that EoT will get the same treatment. It is such a labour of love and gives a deep insight into the making of the movie as has never been done before.
To pick up the line of another poster: "Your continous negativity makes me sick".

Couldn't agree more . 50 years a fan/collector , these are great times to be a fan . So many whingers on here .....most of them didn't even collect through the late 70s and 80s.

[Z0S0]

My question is will the 3 songs that weren't on the Hampton bootlegs be on this FTD? (Mountain/I Got a Woman/Never Been to Spain)

YES !!!!!! I dont know why people question this, FTD have the FULL complete 16 track multi-tracks !
This is NOT what the bootleggers had access to, they had multi generation FIXED (ie: not mixable) copies that in the case of Hampton Roads was incomplete !!

There may be an issue with " never been to spain" but im inclined to believe its missing on film not audio

The official release will sound far superior to the Boots for the reasons mentioned!

There is some very interesting stuff caught on film; candid & on stage that none of us knew about!! whilst i dont think we'll get to SEE it, if the audio exists and could be included though it would be the icing on the cake - 1 scene in particular (id compare it to 'Young and Beautiful') !!

[Z0S0]

Don't agree at all with all the negativity towards the set. I love my FTD books that come from David to death and am so glad that EoT will get the same treatment. It is such a labour of love and gives a deep insight into the making of the movie as has never been done before.
To pick up the line of another poster: "Your continous negativity makes me sick".

Couldn't agree more . 50 years a fan/collector , these are great times to be a fan . So many whingers on here .....most of them didn't even collect through the late 70s and 80s.

Yes Indeed ! Its going to be a fantastic project ! After the amazing TTWii Rehearsal box why would anyone think otherwise? and lets remember that sold out 2 pressings !

For the first time ever we will get the shows and most/all of the rehearsal material in fantastic sound from the mastertapes and if there is one thing i know about David & Ernst its that they do not leave any stone unturned to gather correct accurate information!

The TCB book absolutely blew me away with the amount of exact detail, the research & work that went into this is astounding and extremely commendable !
This work aside, look at "The Boy from Tupelo" - i have no reason to believe the On Tour project will be any different to either of these projects !

Most/all of the Filming details should at last be revealed to us, There is info there that will answer questions some of us have thrown around for 20+ years AND put a BIG smile on our faces with such reactions as ; " i never expected that" or "i damn well knew it " !!!

After New unknown audio theres nothing better than information pertaining to such material

(for example, it turns out that "Old man With Elevator" was such a hit with the entourage that elvis put him on the payroll as " general elevator manager" - his party piece was to recreate his big movie scene be it in vegas or on the road, "hes gonna come thru this door here and take the elevator" ...

Things escalated as they do - the guys taught him to get drunk on whiskey and look up skirts!
Herbert escaped one time and caused a big fuss with the neighbours so he was sent back to Graceland and put in a cage out back of the jungle Room, eventually he bit one of the maids and he died very soon after ...
... the suspicion was that the maid poisoned him ! Elvis thrust his M16 machine gun into sonnys hands and said " shes gotta die man, cant you guys see what shes done to me") sonny refused so RED contacted Frank (chairman of the board) about putting a hit out on the maid but Elvis backed down when he realised how heavy it was.

A shame as elvis was about to put Herbert in his karate film, having already presented him with a 'certificate' proclaiming him "18th degree black belt Grand master of the arts " )


Anyway, Hopefully the team will be able to uncover full set-lists for the whole tour as quite a few have long been missing, wrong, incomplete etc !

Filming details /logs..... set-lists .....unseen photos.... AND The audio from the masters all freshly mixed and mastered ..... whats not to be excited about ????

Im happy to admit This is the most ive been excited about an elvis project, probably since the arrival of the 70's Box-Set back in the 90's ! On Tour holds a special place in my heart for sentimental reasons etc and god knows we have EARNED this set - sadly im sure a lot of fans ran out of time patiently waiting and are no longer with us.

[OnTourCam]

Gamma Master your spot on mate
Had been thinking the same for many years on the Difference in quality and sources during I Got A Woman i think we are closer to finding out the answer

[pmp]

Don't agree at all with all the negativity towards the set. I love my FTD books that come from David to death and am so glad that EoT will get the same treatment. It is such a labour of love and gives a deep insight into the making of the movie as has never been done before.
To pick up the line of another poster: "Your continous negativity makes me sick".

Couldn't agree more . 50 years a fan/collector , these are great times to be a fan . So many whingers on here .....most of them didn't even collect through the late 70s and 80s.

Yes Indeed ! Its going to be a fantastic project ! After the amazing TTWii Rehearsal box why would anyone think otherwise? and lets remember that sold out 2 pressings !

For the first time ever we will get the shows and most/all of the rehearsal material in fantastic sound from the mastertapes and if there is one thing i know about David & Ernst its that they do not leave any stone unturned to gather correct accurate information!

The TCB book absolutely blew me away with the amount of exact detail, the research & work that went into this is astounding and extremely commendable !
This work aside, look at "The Boy from Tupelo" - i have no reason to believe the On Tour project will be any different to either of these projects !

Most/all of the Filming details should at last be revealed to us, There is info there that will answer questions some of us have thrown around for 20+ years AND put a BIG smile on our faces with such reactions as ; " i never expected that" or "i damn well knew it " !!!

After New unknown audio theres nothing better than information pertaining to such material

(for example, it turns out that "Old man With Elevator" was such a hit with the entourage that elvis put him on the payroll as " general elevator manager" - his party piece was to recreate his big movie scene be it in vegas or on the road, "hes gonna come thru this door here and take the elevator" ...

Things escalated as they do - the guys taught him to get drunk on whiskey and look up skirts!
Herbert escaped one time and caused a big fuss with the neighbours so he was sent back to Graceland and put in a cage out back of the jungle Room, eventually he bit one of the maids and he died very soon after ...
... the suspicion was that the maid poisoned him ! Elvis thrust his M16 machine gun into sonnys hands and said " shes gotta die man, cant you guys see what shes done to me") sonny refused so RED contacted Frank (chairman of the board) about putting a hit out on the maid but Elvis backed down when he realised how heavy it was.

A shame as elvis was about to put Herbert in his karate film, having already presented him with a 'certificate' proclaiming him "18th degree black belt Grand master of the arts " )


Anyway, Hopefully the team will be able to uncover full set-lists for the whole tour as quite a few have long been missing, wrong, incomplete etc !

Filming details /logs..... set-lists .....unseen photos.... AND The audio from the masters all freshly mixed and mastered ..... whats not to be excited about ????

Im happy to admit This is the most ive been excited about an elvis project, probably since the arrival of the 70's Box-Set back in the 90's ! On Tour holds a special place in my heart for sentimental reasons etc and god knows we have EARNED this set - sadly im sure a lot of fans ran out of time patiently waiting and are no longer with us.

To my knowledge, no-one has confirmed the shows will be supplied with this book - it might be the rehearsals or the mock session.

As for why would anyone think otherwise regarding this set...four shows without a book would cost around £50-60. Four shows with a book will cost three times that. Not everyone has the money or the space. FTD said from the get-go that audio with books would just be an added bonus. This current vogue for releasing key audio with giant books goes against that, and means people who have supported FTD throughout might not be able to afford them or give space to them. It's greedy, unnecessary, and goes completely against the original idea of FTD releasing stuff so that bootleggers didn't get supported. This release, if it contains the concerts, will do completely the opposite of that. Bootleggers will release the same audio months later without a book, and the powers that be at FTD will no doubt be moaning about it.

[Kullervo]

No information yet on the contents or nature of the upcoming 2022 On Tour project, and already moaning about it?

[joekro1977]

As for why would anyone think otherwise regarding this set...four shows without a book would cost around £50-60. Four shows with a book will cost three times that. Not everyone has the money or the space. FTD said from the get-go that audio with books would just be an added bonus. This current vogue for releasing key audio with giant books goes against that, and means people who have supported FTD throughout might not be able to afford them or give space to them. It's greedy, unnecessary, and goes completely against the original idea of FTD releasing stuff so that bootleggers didn't get supported. This release, if it contains the concerts, will do completely the opposite of that. Bootleggers will release the same audio months later without a book, and the powers that be at FTD will no doubt be moaning about it.

This is precisely the point that some keep missing - and it's unfortunate.

Let's consider a bit of history here in the form of past FTD book releases.

Change of Habit - the accompanying CD was simply the album "Let's Be Friends" with two bonus tracks - none of this material was essential or otherwise unavailable.

The Wild One 56 - the accompanying CD included the Tupelo 56 performance (which had already been made available on FTD's Love Me Tender) and the 2nd Ed Sullivan show (already widely available)

A Moment in Time 56 - NO CD

Memphis to Nashville 61 - the accompanying CD was a Mono version of "Something For Everyone" - (already widely available)

Elvis at Madison Square Garden - the accompanying CD was an AUDIENCE recording of low to medium grade quality - certainly nothing special when one considers that the magnificent Afternoon and Evening shows had been released on PFAP

Rock Around the Bloch - the accompanying CD was the infamous 1961 Hawaii concert - historically interesting but terrible sound quality.

As PMP has already indicated - none of these products were driven by the musical component. The musical component was there as an "added bonus", but it was certainly not the focal point of the product. No one bought the "Change of Habit" book just to get their hands on a copy of "Let's Be Friends."

Now, starting with TTWII - FTD has flipped the script so to speak. The musical component is a highly coveted item that is unavailable elsewhere in the same quality. They know full well that collectors (some of them at least) will endure purchasing a book (or two) to get the musical content.

It's OK to shake up a business model, companies do it all the time. But don't act like it's always been this way with the FTD books - because the historical record proves that isn't the case.

[Z0S0]

To my knowledge, no-one has confirmed the shows will be supplied with this book - it might be the rehearsals or the mock session.

Shane we have already gone over all these points you made !

To your knowledge YES, and to the general boards knowledge but it doesnt mean it isnt being discussed PRIVATELY - it just isnt public knowledge !! AS it happens it is still very much in the planning stages as to exactly WHAT audio will be included, however despite the success of the TTWii set it may well not copy that format ! The actual contents wont be revealed for some time i would imagine

Personally , I dont need 6-9 versions of "for the good times" OR "Burning Love " and i would gladly trade those in place of the audio that goes with some of unreleased film, especially knowing some of the material thats being uncovered!

as for the big box and the big cost of it , i already agreed with you that in a perfect world, Ftd would follow the format of the likes of Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan etc and have a tier of packages starting with each individual show & working up to the super deluxe , book, cds etc etc
HOWEVER,
that doesnt seem to be on the agenda and as i already said, whether you happen to agree or even like the ON TOUR material !ON TOUR is the last true gem to escape the archives, its been 50 years in the planning and yearning for by many ! So its getting the full bells & whistles treatment !

What would you/others say if Ernst decided against a nice big box after all & decided to spread the material out in single 5" digipacks (just like any old soundboard) over the next 12 months ! ???

The price in the end wouldnt be much different but they would just be standard FTD releases, nothing to distinguish them and i think ON TOUR deserves much more than that and i guess Ernst & the team do too!
Regardless it doesnt matter how i justify it or how much you whinge & moan about it, FTD are going to put them out just how they want to!

Lastly, People who are moaning about this being expensive are the same people who happily now buy "his hand in mine" / "kid galahad" etc etc as a VERY expensive triple set when they already own the ftd that came before and in many cases, probably have the album collection, their original vinyl, The "elvis in the 90s" original cd release ! at least On Tour is predominately UNRELEASED!

lastly, if people are really afraid of a potential £200 RRP - sell some of those duplicates, thats what i do and thats what i SHALL be doing - probably some of my Boots & books too, if you want it youll find the money, if its not that important then put it towards something else ! no one is obligated to buy any release - box set or 76 soundboard !

despite all this, whats the betting it sells out just like TTWii did ! you cant find a set of that now for love nor money, when the odd one is around its AT LEAST double the original price !!

[pmp]

To my knowledge, no-one has confirmed the shows will be supplied with this book - it might be the rehearsals or the mock session.

Shane we have already gone over all these points you made !

To your knowledge YES, and to the general boards knowledge but it doesnt mean it isnt being discussed PRIVATELY - it just isnt public knowledge !! AS it happens it is still very much in the planning stages as to exactly WHAT audio will be included, however despite the success of the TTWii set it may well not copy that format ! The actual contents wont be revealed for some time i would imagine

Then why are you saying:

"For the first time ever we will get the shows and most/all of the rehearsal material in fantastic sound from the mastertapes ?"

Those are your words, and now you're saying it's in the planning stages and no-one knows what the final decision will be. You can't say we're getting one thing and then admit that you haven't got a clue what the decision will be!

What would you/others say if Ernst decided against a nice big box after all & decided to spread the material out in single 5" digipacks (just like any old soundboard) over the next 12 months ! ???

We know that wouldn't be the way things go because single digipaks are virtually obsolete in the FTD world.

But I'd be more than happy if he spread things out over several releases - and I'm sure many here would be, too. Why not? The well is almost dry, so why not take the most important material left in the vaults and spread it through 2022 instead of filling the year up with "sessions" with about ten minutes of unreleased material on them? Something to look forward to every quarter for the collectors PLUS it makes it easier for people to afford them.

What's more, it's probably more enjoyable as fans will get to play brand new material in great sound every few months. What's the alternative? A book and CD set in one big package that many can't afford, with the rest of 2022 filled out with releases with next to nothing new on them and/or yet more mundane soundboards from tours and seasons already covered?

By all means, release audio with the book if there HAS to be audio with the book, but there is no way that it should be previously unreleased multitracks of much sought-after material.

meanwhile you have missed the point of the objections about the book. It's not only about affordability, it's about being FORCED to buy a hefty book that people may never use, in order to get the audio. It was repeatedly stated to collectors that this would NEVER happen on FTD product. And now it's simply being to extract as much money from fans as possible.

Frankly, it stinks, and is a kick in the teeth for FTD collectors - of which, I add, am not one anymore. I would buy a CD only package of Elvis on Tour stuff, of course I would. But I'm damned if I'll pay an extra £100 for a book I don't want, haven't got room for, and wouldn't be able to use.

[Mike in New Jersey]

My hope is that the concerts will be released in a retail package with perhaps a highlights disc of the rehearsals (It would be a shame if they simply recycled the rehearsals disc previously released on the FTD label, but I wouldn't be surprised). If they decide to attach most of the concert audio, with a large book project similar to TWWII (in terms of pricing), I'll have to pass. We'll see what happens.

[emjel]

My hope is that the concerts will be released in a retail package with perhaps a highlights disc of the rehearsals (It would be a shame if they simply recycled the rehearsals disc previously released on the FTD label, but I wouldn't be surprised). If they decide to attach most of the concert audio, with a large book project similar to TWWII (in terms of pricing), I'll have to pass. We'll see what happens.

If it’s one book, which is most likely as the rehearsals were nowhere near as long in On Tour as they were in TTWII, and then 5 CDs as opposed to 8, it will not be as costly as the £200 price tag for TTWII. Sure, not cheap but I reckon around £120.

As I wrote previously, it is my understanding that retail will get one show via one CD and a double vinyl. Sony will not release all the concerts on mainstream.

[Mike in New Jersey]

My hope is that the concerts will be released in a retail package with perhaps a highlights disc of the rehearsals (It would be a shame if they simply recycled the rehearsals disc previously released on the FTD label, but I wouldn't be surprised). If they decide to attach most of the concert audio, with a large book project similar to TWWII (in terms of pricing), I'll have to pass. We'll see what happens.

If it’s one book, which is most likely as the rehearsals were nowhere near as long in On Tour as they were in TTWII, and then 5 CDs as opposed to 8, it will not be as costly as the £200 price tag for TTWII. Sure, not cheap but I reckon around £120.

As I wrote previously, it is my understanding that retail will get one show via one CD and a double vinyl. Sony will not release all the concerts on mainstream.

If they can keep the FTD release (If that is indeed where the vast majority of the audio is going) around $150.00. Then I'm definitely in. Anything between that and $200 is shaky for me. Above $200 and I simply cannot afford it. Again though, it's going to be awhile before anything is released, so I'm not going to freak out (if freaking out is indeed called for) until an official announcement.

[OnTourCam]

who did the original recordings ?
are they still alive what can they remember from it are they worth interviewing or is all too hard ?

[Robert]

who did the original recordings ?
are they still alive what can they remember from it are they worth interviewing or is all too hard ?

By now it’s clear the Lorenzen book will show audio documentation, so all details will be available soon.

But it’s clear the Wally Heider company recorded the shows on 16 track for the MGM movie, RCA got 8 track copy tapes.

And as a result there’s a complicated issue regarding publishing rights.

[rockinrebel]

Lastly, People who are moaning about this being expensive are the same people who happily now buy "his hand in mine" / "kid galahad" etc etc as a VERY expensive triple set when they already own the ftd that came before and in many cases, probably have the album collection, their original vinyl, The "elvis in the 90s" original cd release ! at least On Tour is predominately UNRELEASED!

I haven't bought all of the sessions sets. If I already own the vast majority of the material, I'm not paying out again for just a few minutes of incomplete takes and dialogue.

Space is also a problem. I've been collecting for many years now and have boxes full of books and magazines stored away in the attic.

So, for that reason I don't buy the books anymore, and I only buy CD's if they offer mostly new material (although there are always exceptions).

Ideally FTD should release a stand alone audio set and a CD / book set for those that collect such things, but we all know this won't happen, as such a policy, whilst fan friendly, would impact on the sales of the books.

From a personal standpoint I could afford to buy the books, if this was the only way I could get the audio, but I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, and it's a real shame that some fans will miss out on recordings of Elvis in his prime ( which they have been waiting years to hear) because of the costs involved.

[rockinrebel]

who did the original recordings ?
are they still alive what can they remember from it are they worth interviewing or is all too hard ?

By now it’s clear the Lorenzen book will show audio documentation, so all details will be available soon.

But it’s clear the Wally Heider company recorded the shows on 16 track for the MGM movie, RCA got 8 track copy tapes.

And as a result there’s a complicated issue regarding publishing rights.

Perhaps this is what Ernst is worried about. If Erik's book details what was actually recorded, collectors are going to expect the vast majority of the unissued material to be included with the FTD set next year.

So expectations will be high, and people will be speculating about the content of the FTD set, whilst the FTD team are still trying to secure the rights to release the material.

[emjel]

Lastly, People who are moaning about this being expensive are the same people who happily now buy "his hand in mine" / "kid galahad" etc etc as a VERY expensive triple set when they already own the ftd that came before and in many cases, probably have the album collection, their original vinyl, The "elvis in the 90s" original cd release ! at least On Tour is predominately UNRELEASED!

I haven't bought all of the sessions sets. If I already own the vast majority of the material, I'm not paying out again for just a few minutes of incomplete takes and dialogue.

Space is also a problem. I've been collecting for many years now and have boxes full of books and magazines stored away in the attic.

So, for that reason I don't buy the books anymore, and I only buy CD's if they offer mostly new material (although there are always exceptions).

Ideally FTD should release a stand alone audio set and a CD / book set for those that collect such things, but we all know this won't happen, as such a policy, whilst fan friendly, would impact on the sales of the books.

From a personal standpoint I could afford to buy the books, if this was the only way I could get the audio, but I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, and it's a real shame that some fans will miss out on recordings of Elvis in his prime ( which they have been waiting years to hear) because of the costs involved.

If Sony do not abort, they will be able to buy the single CD that apparently is pencilled in for the 50th anniversary, so fans who cannot afford the deluxe FTD set will get something. And I suspect it is those kind of casual fans who will be quite happy to have one show and not necessarily crave for four of the same. And no doubt they will have the MSG show which will not be that different to the April ones which may be enough to hear Elvis in his prime, although I think two years earlier may fit that bill a bit better.