Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

[Scoobie]

Well, because the download priced at £23 is high resolution 24 bit 96 kHz format rather than the CD standard.

That's a lot to pay for something you can't hear.

https://www.mixinglessons.com/bit-depth/#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20bit%20depths,the%20noise%20floor%20and%200dBFS.

It would be interesting to perform a blind test to see if a difference can be heard. I was once a full supporter of high resolution files, and have many of them in my collection.
I bought Planar Magnetic headphones and a special headphone amp ("ifi Zen 2") to get the full hi-Rez experience. Now? well let's just say I am a bit jaded on the subject. I would be interested if I could buy just one track first, to see if I can be convinced it is enough to buy it yet again.

[minkahed]

I really don’t see what the big fuss is any more about this box.

Sony and FTD did exactly the same thing with Another 48 Hours, then put the same contents on the Legacy Edition for more than half the price cheaper.

[frus75]

Well, because the download priced at £23 is high resolution 24 bit 96 kHz format rather than the CD standard.

That's a lot to pay for something you can't hear.

https://www.mixinglessons.com/bit-depth/#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20bit%20depths,the%20noise%20floor%20and%200dBFS.

It would be interesting to perform a blind test to see if a difference can be heard. I was once a full supporter of high resolution files, and have many of them in my collection.
I bought Planar Magnetic headphones and a special headphone amp ("ifi Zen 2") to get the full hi-Rez experience. Now? well let's just say I am a bit jaded on the subject. I would be interested if I could buy just one track first, to see if I can be convinced it is enough to buy it yet again.

The short answer is no, there's no audible difference between the same track if the only thing that alters is the resolution.

It's been shown time and time again in blind tests. You'll find people on forums getting very irate when their hearing is questioned, but when it comes down to being asked to prove that they can pick the Hi-res files in an A/B test they always refuse because they 'don't need to prove anything' and they 'know what [they] can hear'. Of course they don't want to take a test, they'd be in danger of having to face up to the fact that they'd wasted thousands of pounds on unnecessary downloads.

I agree. One very important thing is the mastering and many times it’s down to it

[Squire Smart]

I have found the download on Qobuz for £23.19 (high resolution 24 bit 96 kHz download package.

You can pre-order the real original package for £26, why you should pay £23 for a digital download? I've just pre-order it from Amazon UK and, if i want, i will do myself the digital ripp.

Where is it on Amazon UK? I typed it on and just got the old £13 edition.

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[DayVee Bee]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C715GQJL

[Mike in New Jersey]

I really don’t see what the big fuss is any more about this box.

Sony and FTD did exactly the same thing with Another 48 Hours, then put the same contents on the Legacy Edition for more than half the price cheaper.

As I recall there was considerable consternation at the time about that. I hadn't bought the FTD myself, so was happy to get it via the Legacy edition, but I understood why folks were upset. Also there was 3 or 4 years between those releases, not a bit over one year, like this, not to mention the considerable price differences between the 48 Hours FTD and the Aloha FTD.

Mike

[Gary Crawford]

Well, because the download priced at £23 is high resolution 24 bit 96 kHz format rather than the CD standard.

That's a lot to pay for something you can't hear.

https://www.mixinglessons.com/bit-depth/#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20bit%20depths,the%20noise%20floor%20and%200dBFS.

It would be interesting to perform a blind test to see if a difference can be heard. I was once a full supporter of high resolution files, and have many of them in my collection.
I bought Planar Magnetic headphones and a special headphone amp ("ifi Zen 2") to get the full hi-Rez experience. Now? well let's just say I am a bit jaded on the subject. I would be interested if I could buy just one track first, to see if I can be convinced it is enough to buy it yet again.

The short answer is no, there's no audible difference between the same track if the only thing that alters is the resolution.

It's been shown time and time again in blind tests. You'll find people on forums getting very irate when their hearing is questioned, but when it comes down to being asked to prove that they can pick the Hi-res files in an A/B test they always refuse because they 'don't need to prove anything' and they 'know what [they] can hear'. Of course they don't want to take a test, they'd be in danger of having to face up to the fact that they'd wasted thousands of pounds on unnecessary downloads.

Now this is coming from someone who had upgraded copies of the same movies from VHS, to DVD to Blu Ray and now 4k Blu Ray, I have no intention of upgrading to so called Hi Res audio. I thought about it and did some research. Can't find it now but there are articles that cover research where people in blind trials could not hear the difference. The record companies deliberately master them differently to give the illusion of a better sound quality. I can't quite remember all the details but I think it was more about compression and loudness to make them sound more crisp and bright, of course the file size is still much more than CD but the information on it can not actually be picked up by the human ear. Hence the need to apply mastering methods that makes the listener, if comparing the Hi Res with standard music file come out thinking the Hi Res one is better.
In relation to movies in 4k, there is the benefit of HDR and Dolby Atmos but the increased video resolution is hard to notice unless viewing on a massive screen or very close to the screen due to the limitations of the human eye. Going back to the human ear, same applies. There have been blind tests showing that listeners are not able to tell the difference between the old DVD Dolby 5.1 format and Dolby HD audio. However Dolby Atmos audio (for example) is worth an upgrade as it is more about object projected audio and creates a better immersive sound field. As opposed to any Hi Res Audio supposedly allowing you to hear more of (for example) the explosion during an action film on a movie soundtrack than you would do with old Dolby digital. You won't really hear any more nuance of individual sounds channels with Atmos it will just feel more real and directed towards the listener.

[L Ray]

I think with some movies the 4K version might not be that much better than the Blu-ray version. But with most there is a noticeable difference. It goes beyond resolution. Colors are richer and more realistic. A good example is the 4K Blue Hawaii. I have both in the same release from Paramount. Even though the Blu-ray looks great it can’t compare to the superior 4k for reasons mentioned above.

[pmp]

I really don’t see what the big fuss is any more about this box.

Sony and FTD did exactly the same thing with Another 48 Hours, then put the same contents on the Legacy Edition for more than half the price cheaper.

The circumstances are very different.

48 Hours from Memphis came out in 2011, whereas the Legacy edition came out in 2014.
The FTD for Aloha came out in 2022. The retail edition will be out in 2023. One year, not three.

48 Hours cost about £20. The Legacy edition was about £13-14, and the 48 Hours concert was really only a bonus to go with the Memphis remix.
With Aloha, the FTD was close to £50, and the new edition is a further £26.

What's more, 48 Hours wasn't only half remastered. There was no need for anyone to buy the Legacy edition as well. There wasn't a blu ray added, for example.
With Aloha, people have paid £50 for a half-remixed set, and now are going to have to pay another £26 to get the other concert remastered and for the blu ray.

What's also very different is the clear intention from FTD/Sony/Jorgensen. They knew full well when they put out the FTD last year that the other concert was going to be issued as part of a set this year. It's wasn't some big surprise.

They were purposefully flogging the FTD of Aloha to fans, knowing that a set costing half as much was coming out a year later and with more material remastered/remixed, and with a blu ray. There was absolutely no reason for the FTD to be released at all. It has served no purpose, other than money-grabbing for FTD.

With 48 Hours, there was a gap of three years, the money involved was much lower, and there was probably no knowledge in 2011 as to whether a Legacy edition of the Memphis album would happen in 2014.

[minkahed]

Yes, duly noted and I’m aware of that PMP.

I actually agree with a lot of what your stance is on this subject, but I really find it kind of hard to believe that no one suspected that there would be a 50th anniversary celebration coming on the main label as I’ve already claimed I knew this from last year.

If you think about it again, Sony did the same thing with the Young Man With The Big Beat box set. They gave us all the 1956 masters across two CD’s on Legacy, which were easily available on that box that set, plus outtakes and interviews. It’s not sumthin odd for them.

I don’t agree with what FTD did, and I agree there should’ve been no FTD at all, but in the end, it’s the powers that be that make the decisions.

[pmp]

Yes, duly noted and I’m aware of that PMP.

I actually agree with a lot of what your stance is on this subject, but I really find it kind of hard to believe that no one suspected that there would be a 50th anniversary celebration coming on the main label as I’ve already claimed I knew this from last year.

If you think about it again, Sony did the same thing with the Young Man With The Big Beat box set. They gave us all the 1956 masters across two CD’s on Legacy, which were easily available on that box that set, plus outtakes and interviews. It’s not sumthin odd for them.

I don’t agree with what FTD did, and I agree there should’ve been no FTD at all, but in the end, it’s the powers that be that make the decisions.

Again, that's completely different, not least because the Legacy edition and Young Man with the Big Beat were released on the same day: September 27, 2011. Everyone knew they had the choice of the bare bones Legacy Edition of the masters or the boxed set with unreleased material.

Meanwhile: Ernst IS the "powers that be" when it comes to FTD.

[LSP-4445]

I think with some movies the 4K version might not be that much better than the Blu-ray version. But with most there is a noticeable difference. It goes beyond resolution. Colors are richer and more realistic. A good example is the 4K Blue Hawaii. I have both in the same release from Paramount. Even though the Blu-ray looks great it can’t compare to the superior 4k for reasons mentioned above.

Its HDR that makes the 4k video much better.
Not a fan of Dolby Vision….could be that my old OLED is to blame.

[portlandjulian]

Price on the Imusic store has increased slightly. Hopefully they will honor the previous preorder price of $13.99 ?

https://imusic.co/music/0196588019524/elvis-presley-2023-aloha-from-hawaii-via-satellite-cd-blu-ray

The price of $13.99 may have been a mistake (or a price for the digital download of the box-set?) as it seems way too low. It is now $35.66 / £28.49 (which is very similar to Amazon UK's price). Will they honor the price you mention? Time will tell.

NO

We shall see ! I have just looked at my order details on line and its still showing the previous amount of $13.99 to be charged to my card !

According to a posting on the Steve Hoffman forum imusic are going to honor the initial $13.99 for those who ordered it at that price.

[Tornado]

I’m a bit confused about the way the announcement of the coming Aloha is phrased.
How do you understand it when it says the album has been fully remixed and remastered? Are we to understand that both shows have been remixed and remastered and the Malabo portion as well, or only the main show?
And if only the main show, is it different really from the FTD release last year?
Why don’t they say plain and simple that both shows have been remixed and remastered?
It’s mind boggling!



Envoyé de mon iPad

[emjel]

I’m a bit confused about the way the announcement of the coming Aloha is phrased.
How do you understand it when it says the album has been fully remixed and remastered? Are we to understand that both shows have been remixed and remastered and the Malabo portion as well, or only the main show?
And if only the main show, is it different really from the FTD release last year?
Why don’t they say plain and simple that both shows have been remixed and remastered?
It’s mind boggling!

Envoyé de mon iPad

Try this then - https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=115442&start=150#p1944276

[chop983]

I’m a bit confused about the way the announcement of the coming Aloha is phrased.
How do you understand it when it says the album has been fully remixed and remastered? Are we to understand that both shows have been remixed and remastered and the Malabo portion as well, or only the main show?
And if only the main show, is it different really from the FTD release last year?
Why don’t they say plain and simple that both shows have been remixed and remastered?
It’s mind boggling!

Envoyé de mon iPad

Try this then - https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=115442&start=150#p1944276

How new is new? Amazon UK specifically mentions the first concert is remixed but not the 2nd.

[elvis-fan]

I’m a bit confused about the way the announcement of the coming Aloha is phrased.
How do you understand it when it says the album has been fully remixed and remastered? Are we to understand that both shows have been remixed and remastered and the Malabo portion as well, or only the main show?
And if only the main show, is it different really from the FTD release last year?
Why don’t they say plain and simple that both shows have been remixed and remastered?
It’s mind boggling!

Envoyé de mon iPad

Try this then - https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=115442&start=150#p1944276

That doesn't really help... because the Graceland site says this:

Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite was an Elvis Presley concert that originally took place in Honolulu and was broadcast live via satellite to audiences around the world in 1973. The resulting live album became a #1 album for Elvis, and the TV transmission became the television event of the year worldwide. This 3CD + Blu-ray 50th anniversary package contains: CD 1 - newly remixed version of the original full-length TV broadcast concert, CD 2 - Rehearsal show, CD 3 - Complete after-show bonus song performances, and Blu-ray - Elvis Aloha from Hawaii concert + rehearsal concert + bonus songs.

[emjel]

I’m a bit confused about the way the announcement of the coming Aloha is phrased.
How do you understand it when it says the album has been fully remixed and remastered? Are we to understand that both shows have been remixed and remastered and the Malabo portion as well, or only the main show?
And if only the main show, is it different really from the FTD release last year?
Why don’t they say plain and simple that both shows have been remixed and remastered?
It’s mind boggling!

Envoyé de mon iPad

Try this then - https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=115442&start=150#p1944276

That doesn't really help... because the Graceland site says this:

Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite was an Elvis Presley concert that originally took place in Honolulu and was broadcast live via satellite to audiences around the world in 1973. The resulting live album became a #1 album for Elvis, and the TV transmission became the television event of the year worldwide. This 3CD + Blu-ray 50th anniversary package contains: CD 1 - newly remixed version of the original full-length TV broadcast concert, CD 2 - Rehearsal show, CD 3 - Complete after-show bonus song performances, and Blu-ray - Elvis Aloha from Hawaii concert + rehearsal concert + bonus songs.

The original press release was vague and suggested it was only the main show that was remixed, but it is what a lot of sites used. Then it looks like Sony revised the wording as shown in my extract.

[elvis-fan]

I’m a bit confused about the way the announcement of the coming Aloha is phrased.
How do you understand it when it says the album has been fully remixed and remastered? Are we to understand that both shows have been remixed and remastered and the Malabo portion as well, or only the main show?
And if only the main show, is it different really from the FTD release last year?
Why don’t they say plain and simple that both shows have been remixed and remastered?
It’s mind boggling!

Envoyé de mon iPad

Try this then - https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=115442&start=150#p1944276

That doesn't really help... because the Graceland site says this:

Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite was an Elvis Presley concert that originally took place in Honolulu and was broadcast live via satellite to audiences around the world in 1973. The resulting live album became a #1 album for Elvis, and the TV transmission became the television event of the year worldwide. This 3CD + Blu-ray 50th anniversary package contains: CD 1 - newly remixed version of the original full-length TV broadcast concert, CD 2 - Rehearsal show, CD 3 - Complete after-show bonus song performances, and Blu-ray - Elvis Aloha from Hawaii concert + rehearsal concert + bonus songs.

The original press release was vague and suggested it was only the main show that was remixed, but it is what a lot of sites used. Then it looks like Sony revised the wording as shown in my extract.

I hope you're right... but I have a bad feeling a lot of people are going to be disappointed. It really makes no sense why Matt would have remixed the MSG shows and Aloha main show and not the rehearsal... but I guess we'll see...

[skabillyrebels]

So it's only CD 1 - newly remixed version thats remixed and the rest is the same is that it. ?

[Tornado]

Thanks to all who cared to try to decipher Sony’ announcement and rewording. So I have to believe that all 3 recordings have been remixed and remastered. Well, I hope so but instead of preorder it, I’ll wait for the comments on this issue once the boxset is out. Like someone said on this thread: « better be safe than sorry . We’re all expecting the best naturally. Thanks to all for your opinions. Let us meet again in mid or late August and talk about it with the CDs at hand.

[YDKM]

Thanks to all who cared to try to decipher Sony’ announcement and rewording. So I have to believe that all 3 recordings have been remixed and remastered. Well, I hope so but instead of preorder it, I’ll wait for the comments on this issue once the boxset is out. Like someone said on this thread: « better be safe than sorry . We’re all expecting the best naturally. Thanks to all for your opinions. Let us meet again in mid or late August and talk about it with the CDs at hand.

Same as me that's what I will do also...as way to much $$$ duplication and sameness of products

[frus75]

I bet it’s a straight copy of the FTD with the blu ray added. Anyway, one song from the rehearsal may be available on Apple Music or Spotify etc soon.

[frus75]

23€ on Amazon Spain

[thenexte]

Based on the official news release all the audio appears to have been remixed by MRS. Looks like the Blu-ray is sourced from the 2006 DVD set which makes a lot of sense. Looking forward to this one, I bet the rehearsal show will sound stunning. Anyone remembers the first (disastrous) release of the rehearsal show back in 1988 ("The Alternate Aloha")?

https://www.graceland.com/elvis-news/posts/the-50th-anniversary-edition-of-elvis-aloha-from-hawaii-via-satellite

The 50th anniversary edition of Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite is produced by Ernst Jørgensen and newly mixed by Grammy® Award-winning recording engineer Matt-Ross Spang. The set includes the original concert, rehearsal show and unique after-show recordings and rehearsals including "Blue Hawaii," "Hawaiian Wedding Song," "No More" and "Early Morning Rain."