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Re: Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

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"Elvis Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite | 50th Anniversary Edition" 2 LP Vinyl Record Set... :shock: :lol:
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TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:20 am
emjel wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:52 am
You’re still not getting it are you, and your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If Sony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
I never said that they will do more promotion than they have to.
But with a clever way of promotion they could sell more copies.

The way of thinking "It will never happen, or it does not work this way, ... " is also the wrong way.

We would never had number one albums like 30 #1 or an Elvis movie that made an income from more than 300 000 000 $.
Who could imagine 1957 that Elvis will have some years later number one hits with songs like It´s Now Or Never", who could imagine the outcome Elvis 1968 TV show?
Who could imagine that If I Can Dream (album) could end up in a million seller?
As a record company it is sometimes clever just to take what You can get and sometimes it could be more if they just work a little more for it.
For example, there was no soundtrack album for the movie Viva Las Vegas.
There was no live performances of Elvis during his main movie years of the 1960`s.
But it is not the wrong way for Sony. Any extra promotion to the masses costs extra money for Sony whatever way it is done, and it will not result in a huge swathe of extra sales for an album like Aloha which is what you are trying to convince us or rather, convince yourself that it will do just that.

Writing about who could imagine back in 1957 that Elvis would have a huge number 1 hit three years later with "It’s Now or Never" or that "If I Can Dream" would be a million seller in support of your thoughts is totally irrelevant. Who would have thought back in 1958 when Elvis was releasing stellar songs like "Jailhouse Rock" and "One Night" that five years later, he would be recording such dross as "How Would You Like To Be" and 8 years later, he’d be singing about going on a Harem Holiday. Who would have thought that having done two great movies like Jailhouse Rock and King Creole that 6 years later, he’d be making rubbish like Kissin’ Cousins.

But the real difference in your comments about what Elvis did all those decades ago is that Elvis was alive back in the 60’s and was still mega popular. Nearly 50 years after his death, the world is not waiting for a 50th Anniversary re-release of Aloha From Hawaii and just need to be told by way of expensive adverts or promotion that it is now available for them to rush out and buy copies, just to boost the sales.

Strip away the actual Aloha event itself and you are left with an album of a "live" show that could have been recorded in Vegas or Richmond Virginia and 50 years after the event is one that does not offer any real wow factor to people outside of the fan base.


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Re: Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

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emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:40 am
Strip away the actual Aloha event itself and you are left with an album of a "live" show that could have been recorded in Vegas or Richmond Virginia and 50 years after the event is one that does not offer any real wow factor to people outside of the fan base.
That's not totally true, emjel.

YouTube offers several "reaction" videos of non-fans being in awe of seeing some of Elvis' performances from Aloha From Hawaii for the first time.

Enjoy . . .
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reaction+videos+of+Elvis+ALOHA+FROM+HAWAII

What Now My Love... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reaction+videos+of+ELVIS+singing+WHAT+NOW+MY+LOVE

An American Trilogy... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reaction+videos+of+ELVIS+singing+AN+AMERICAN+TRILOGY



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emjel wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:52 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:08 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:04 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:10 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:36 am
emjel wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:24 am
Is there any advertising outside the Elvis Fan world about this Aloha release in the USA or UK from Sony or others involved?
This one is not expensive and should be more popular also outside the fan world.
It is a document about a TV Special that made history. As a single Performer (even it was not shown by the same time) never again that many people turned on the TV to see one man singing.
For me Aloha is the ultimate highlight of Elvis as the king of music (even he did not like the title).
He had made is fantastic 1968 TV Special, than That´s the Way it is, followed by Elvis On Tour and than this worldwide TV Speccial with a multi million selling album.
Sony will not be spending extra money outside of their awareness emails on marketing this as they will not have the budget to do it. It will get picked up by the press but that’s going to be about it. The public are no more interested in this release, which as mentioned offers nothing new apart from remixes, than they were for the On Tour set, which at least offered three unreleased shows. The main show and rehearsal have been out so many times that any member of the public who still own say the Legacy set from 2013 and the deluxe DVD set are not going to be too bothered about this. It’ll will probably pick up sales from new fans following Baz’s movie who don’t own a copy but it’s not going to be anything mind blowing and the main show is likely to get streamed more which will affect physical sales.

And I think you overestimate the public’s perception of this show 50 years after the event and the fact it was not broadcast around the world when it happened lessened any impact it might have got. Also, it was the event rather than the show that got the attention. The show itself didn’t or doesn’t stand out any more than any other show Elvis performed up to that time - it could have been a regular show performed in Vegas or Tuscaloosa. Yes, he was in great voice most of the time, which he generally was at most shows he performed at, but it doesn’t mean anything to them today in the same way that Live Aid or Rod Stewart performing in front of over 3 million people in 1994 doesn’t. They are events that happened and are in the history books but that’s about it.

As for sales and the charts, it’ll probably pop into the U.K. chart on the first week buoyed by fan purchases on day one and perhaps remain for a second week getting traction from the August anniversary. It might be the same for the US, but I’d be surprised to see any reasonably high Top 30 chart placement in either country in all honesty - None of the recent releases of the last few years have seen any chart action in the US Billboard 200 chart, but maybe this one will break the mould.
An TV comercial or a special on one of this shopping channels or an TV Special made for CMT would sure help the selling of this product.
The Image of Elvis Aloha from Hawaii is one of the most famous in the memory of the people
Maybe in the memory of the people several decades ago, but not now in a way that is going to make people rush out and buy this release. And do you have any idea how much TV adverts cost. Sony are not going to spend high costs on TV advertising on a product which is not going to sell many copies. They know what the market will stand and if they thought that they could sell loads of copies through advertising in a big way, they would, because no business I know of turns away the opportunity of making a really nice profit. But they know this release has a limited appeal just like all the recent releases in the last four or five years.

You need to understand that the majority of record sales for this show were generated 50 years ago, and since then, there have been drip feed sales from the various releases that have occurred in the last couple of decades.
If people like Baz Luhrman would have think the same, than a movie like Elvis would never happen.
30 #1 hits album, or the Elvis Symphonic albums would never happen which gave Elvis new million selling albums.
Sometimes it takes only a few steps to get it done.
Like the Elvis Forever album rereleased by the post and than quickly sold 50000 albums.
It could be any big firm like Pizza Hut, Star Bucks, Caddilac or what ever could sponsering or put it in a comercial.
Something like "We are having a great Hawaii Party with Elvis Aloha from Hawaii".
You cannot compare coming up with the idea of doing a brand new movie about Elvis’ career with spending vast sums of money in promoting a 50 year old concert album that has already been released in many guises over the last few decades. The general public are not like hardcore fans who have a need to own every release when it comes out. The companies you mention are NOT going to spend large sums of money sponsoring something that gives them little return or any additional return.

I don’t know why you are obsessed with this kind of thing, although that said, I do - it’s because you are obsessed with seeing Elvis in the charts because it implies that Elvis must still be extremely popular. Well here’s a newsflash for you so you can get the celebrations ready.

On Monday and unless something changes dramatically in general record sales over the last 24 hours, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see that Aloha from Hawaii has got into the mid-week U.K. album chart, although actual position is unknown. However, that will not reflect the popularity of Elvis and this release via the general public, but that the regular hardcore fans have had their pre-ordered copy delivered on the day of release. Then next Friday, it will probably get into the lower part of the actual album chart. If it remains there for a few more weeks around the same position, then you’ll know that the release has generated a bit of interest from the general public. If it disappears after one week, you’ll know that it’s chart entry was down to the hardcore fans.
It could be done by the right people. It could end up with promotion for both who ever would go for it:

You’re still not getting it are you, anSony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, d your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
not worth doing just like the On Tour footage right ?



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Re: Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

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Paul Allen wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:01 am
emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:40 am
Strip away the actual Aloha event itself and you are left with an album of a "live" show that could have been recorded in Vegas or Richmond Virginia and 50 years after the event is one that does not offer any real wow factor to people outside of the fan base.
That's not totally true, emjel.

YouTube offers several "reaction" videos of non-fans being in awe of seeing some of Elvis' performances from Aloha From Hawaii for the first time.

Enjoy . . .
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reaction+videos+of+Elvis+ALOHA+FROM+HAWAII

What Now My Love... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reaction+videos+of+ELVIS+singing+WHAT+NOW+MY+LOVE

An American Trilogy... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reaction+videos+of+ELVIS+singing+AN+AMERICAN+TRILOGY
Yeah, those little "oh my God how amazing" videos, and not just in Elvis, are a real hoot. But that aside, i’m not talking about watching a video but listening to a show. And for anyone who is not a real fan, Aloha could basically be MSG on another night.


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Re: Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

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robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:02 am
emjel wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:52 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:08 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:04 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:10 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:36 am
emjel wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:24 am
Is there any advertising outside the Elvis Fan world about this Aloha release in the USA or UK from Sony or others involved?
This one is not expensive and should be more popular also outside the fan world.
It is a document about a TV Special that made history. As a single Performer (even it was not shown by the same time) never again that many people turned on the TV to see one man singing.
For me Aloha is the ultimate highlight of Elvis as the king of music (even he did not like the title).
He had made is fantastic 1968 TV Special, than That´s the Way it is, followed by Elvis On Tour and than this worldwide TV Speccial with a multi million selling album.
Sony will not be spending extra money outside of their awareness emails on marketing this as they will not have the budget to do it. It will get picked up by the press but that’s going to be about it. The public are no more interested in this release, which as mentioned offers nothing new apart from remixes, than they were for the On Tour set, which at least offered three unreleased shows. The main show and rehearsal have been out so many times that any member of the public who still own say the Legacy set from 2013 and the deluxe DVD set are not going to be too bothered about this. It’ll will probably pick up sales from new fans following Baz’s movie who don’t own a copy but it’s not going to be anything mind blowing and the main show is likely to get streamed more which will affect physical sales.

And I think you overestimate the public’s perception of this show 50 years after the event and the fact it was not broadcast around the world when it happened lessened any impact it might have got. Also, it was the event rather than the show that got the attention. The show itself didn’t or doesn’t stand out any more than any other show Elvis performed up to that time - it could have been a regular show performed in Vegas or Tuscaloosa. Yes, he was in great voice most of the time, which he generally was at most shows he performed at, but it doesn’t mean anything to them today in the same way that Live Aid or Rod Stewart performing in front of over 3 million people in 1994 doesn’t. They are events that happened and are in the history books but that’s about it.

As for sales and the charts, it’ll probably pop into the U.K. chart on the first week buoyed by fan purchases on day one and perhaps remain for a second week getting traction from the August anniversary. It might be the same for the US, but I’d be surprised to see any reasonably high Top 30 chart placement in either country in all honesty - None of the recent releases of the last few years have seen any chart action in the US Billboard 200 chart, but maybe this one will break the mould.
An TV comercial or a special on one of this shopping channels or an TV Special made for CMT would sure help the selling of this product.
The Image of Elvis Aloha from Hawaii is one of the most famous in the memory of the people
Maybe in the memory of the people several decades ago, but not now in a way that is going to make people rush out and buy this release. And do you have any idea how much TV adverts cost. Sony are not going to spend high costs on TV advertising on a product which is not going to sell many copies. They know what the market will stand and if they thought that they could sell loads of copies through advertising in a big way, they would, because no business I know of turns away the opportunity of making a really nice profit. But they know this release has a limited appeal just like all the recent releases in the last four or five years.

You need to understand that the majority of record sales for this show were generated 50 years ago, and since then, there have been drip feed sales from the various releases that have occurred in the last couple of decades.
If people like Baz Luhrman would have think the same, than a movie like Elvis would never happen.
30 #1 hits album, or the Elvis Symphonic albums would never happen which gave Elvis new million selling albums.
Sometimes it takes only a few steps to get it done.
Like the Elvis Forever album rereleased by the post and than quickly sold 50000 albums.
It could be any big firm like Pizza Hut, Star Bucks, Caddilac or what ever could sponsering or put it in a comercial.
Something like "We are having a great Hawaii Party with Elvis Aloha from Hawaii".
You cannot compare coming up with the idea of doing a brand new movie about Elvis’ career with spending vast sums of money in promoting a 50 year old concert album that has already been released in many guises over the last few decades. The general public are not like hardcore fans who have a need to own every release when it comes out. The companies you mention are NOT going to spend large sums of money sponsoring something that gives them little return or any additional return.

I don’t know why you are obsessed with this kind of thing, although that said, I do - it’s because you are obsessed with seeing Elvis in the charts because it implies that Elvis must still be extremely popular. Well here’s a newsflash for you so you can get the celebrations ready.

On Monday and unless something changes dramatically in general record sales over the last 24 hours, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see that Aloha from Hawaii has got into the mid-week U.K. album chart, although actual position is unknown. However, that will not reflect the popularity of Elvis and this release via the general public, but that the regular hardcore fans have had their pre-ordered copy delivered on the day of release. Then next Friday, it will probably get into the lower part of the actual album chart. If it remains there for a few more weeks around the same position, then you’ll know that the release has generated a bit of interest from the general public. If it disappears after one week, you’ll know that it’s chart entry was down to the hardcore fans.
It could be done by the right people. It could end up with promotion for both who ever would go for it:

You’re still not getting it are you, anSony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, d your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
not worth doing just like the On Tour footage right ?
If the money men believe and decide it is not worth doing because of lack of financial viability, whatever it is, then they won’t do it. If they think they can make some decent money out of it, they will do it. I don’t know any company that turns money away if they know it can be made, whoever the artists is or whatever the product is. If Warner’s now think the market is ready for a revamped On Tour and they will earn a nice profit, then they will go ahead. If they don’t and they think they will lose money, then they won’t. It really is that simple.


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Re: Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

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emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 pm
robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:02 am
emjel wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:52 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:08 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:04 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:10 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:36 am
emjel wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:24 am
Is there any advertising outside the Elvis Fan world about this Aloha release in the USA or UK from Sony or others involved?
This one is not expensive and should be more popular also outside the fan world.
It is a document about a TV Special that made history. As a single Performer (even it was not shown by the same time) never again that many people turned on the TV to see one man singing.
For me Aloha is the ultimate highlight of Elvis as the king of music (even he did not like the title).
He had made is fantastic 1968 TV Special, than That´s the Way it is, followed by Elvis On Tour and than this worldwide TV Speccial with a multi million selling album.
Sony will not be spending extra money outside of their awareness emails on marketing this as they will not have the budget to do it. It will get picked up by the press but that’s going to be about it. The public are no more interested in this release, which as mentioned offers nothing new apart from remixes, than they were for the On Tour set, which at least offered three unreleased shows. The main show and rehearsal have been out so many times that any member of the public who still own say the Legacy set from 2013 and the deluxe DVD set are not going to be too bothered about this. It’ll will probably pick up sales from new fans following Baz’s movie who don’t own a copy but it’s not going to be anything mind blowing and the main show is likely to get streamed more which will affect physical sales.

And I think you overestimate the public’s perception of this show 50 years after the event and the fact it was not broadcast around the world when it happened lessened any impact it might have got. Also, it was the event rather than the show that got the attention. The show itself didn’t or doesn’t stand out any more than any other show Elvis performed up to that time - it could have been a regular show performed in Vegas or Tuscaloosa. Yes, he was in great voice most of the time, which he generally was at most shows he performed at, but it doesn’t mean anything to them today in the same way that Live Aid or Rod Stewart performing in front of over 3 million people in 1994 doesn’t. They are events that happened and are in the history books but that’s about it.

As for sales and the charts, it’ll probably pop into the U.K. chart on the first week buoyed by fan purchases on day one and perhaps remain for a second week getting traction from the August anniversary. It might be the same for the US, but I’d be surprised to see any reasonably high Top 30 chart placement in either country in all honesty - None of the recent releases of the last few years have seen any chart action in the US Billboard 200 chart, but maybe this one will break the mould.
An TV comercial or a special on one of this shopping channels or an TV Special made for CMT would sure help the selling of this product.
The Image of Elvis Aloha from Hawaii is one of the most famous in the memory of the people
Maybe in the memory of the people several decades ago, but not now in a way that is going to make people rush out and buy this release. And do you have any idea how much TV adverts cost. Sony are not going to spend high costs on TV advertising on a product which is not going to sell many copies. They know what the market will stand and if they thought that they could sell loads of copies through advertising in a big way, they would, because no business I know of turns away the opportunity of making a really nice profit. But they know this release has a limited appeal just like all the recent releases in the last four or five years.

You need to understand that the majority of record sales for this show were generated 50 years ago, and since then, there have been drip feed sales from the various releases that have occurred in the last couple of decades.
If people like Baz Luhrman would have think the same, than a movie like Elvis would never happen.
30 #1 hits album, or the Elvis Symphonic albums would never happen which gave Elvis new million selling albums.
Sometimes it takes only a few steps to get it done.
Like the Elvis Forever album rereleased by the post and than quickly sold 50000 albums.
It could be any big firm like Pizza Hut, Star Bucks, Caddilac or what ever could sponsering or put it in a comercial.
Something like "We are having a great Hawaii Party with Elvis Aloha from Hawaii".
You cannot compare coming up with the idea of doing a brand new movie about Elvis’ career with spending vast sums of money in promoting a 50 year old concert album that has already been released in many guises over the last few decades. The general public are not like hardcore fans who have a need to own every release when it comes out. The companies you mention are NOT going to spend large sums of money sponsoring something that gives them little return or any additional return.

I don’t know why you are obsessed with this kind of thing, although that said, I do - it’s because you are obsessed with seeing Elvis in the charts because it implies that Elvis must still be extremely popular. Well here’s a newsflash for you so you can get the celebrations ready.

On Monday and unless something changes dramatically in general record sales over the last 24 hours, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see that Aloha from Hawaii has got into the mid-week U.K. album chart, although actual position is unknown. However, that will not reflect the popularity of Elvis and this release via the general public, but that the regular hardcore fans have had their pre-ordered copy delivered on the day of release. Then next Friday, it will probably get into the lower part of the actual album chart. If it remains there for a few more weeks around the same position, then you’ll know that the release has generated a bit of interest from the general public. If it disappears after one week, you’ll know that it’s chart entry was down to the hardcore fans.
It could be done by the right people. It could end up with promotion for both who ever would go for it:

You’re still not getting it are you, anSony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, d your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
not worth doing just like the On Tour footage right ?
If the money men believe and decide it is not worth doing because of lack of financial viability, whatever it is, then they won’t do it. If they think they can make some decent money out of it, they will do it. I don’t know any company that turns money away if they know it can be made, whoever the artists is or whatever the product is. If Warner’s now think the market is ready for a revamped On Tour and they will earn a nice profit, then they will go ahead. If they don’t and they think they will lose money, then they won’t. It really is that simple.
yes it is that simple but your statements before had no faith it would be done with sayings such as it's not historical cost is way to high to do and so on, like i said you before you lack vision you only see the obstacles



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robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:04 pm
emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 pm
robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:02 am
emjel wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:52 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:08 am
emjel wrote:
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TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:10 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
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Is there any advertising outside the Elvis Fan world about this Aloha release in the USA or UK from Sony or others involved?
This one is not expensive and should be more popular also outside the fan world.
It is a document about a TV Special that made history. As a single Performer (even it was not shown by the same time) never again that many people turned on the TV to see one man singing.
For me Aloha is the ultimate highlight of Elvis as the king of music (even he did not like the title).
He had made is fantastic 1968 TV Special, than That´s the Way it is, followed by Elvis On Tour and than this worldwide TV Speccial with a multi million selling album.
Sony will not be spending extra money outside of their awareness emails on marketing this as they will not have the budget to do it. It will get picked up by the press but that’s going to be about it. The public are no more interested in this release, which as mentioned offers nothing new apart from remixes, than they were for the On Tour set, which at least offered three unreleased shows. The main show and rehearsal have been out so many times that any member of the public who still own say the Legacy set from 2013 and the deluxe DVD set are not going to be too bothered about this. It’ll will probably pick up sales from new fans following Baz’s movie who don’t own a copy but it’s not going to be anything mind blowing and the main show is likely to get streamed more which will affect physical sales.

And I think you overestimate the public’s perception of this show 50 years after the event and the fact it was not broadcast around the world when it happened lessened any impact it might have got. Also, it was the event rather than the show that got the attention. The show itself didn’t or doesn’t stand out any more than any other show Elvis performed up to that time - it could have been a regular show performed in Vegas or Tuscaloosa. Yes, he was in great voice most of the time, which he generally was at most shows he performed at, but it doesn’t mean anything to them today in the same way that Live Aid or Rod Stewart performing in front of over 3 million people in 1994 doesn’t. They are events that happened and are in the history books but that’s about it.

As for sales and the charts, it’ll probably pop into the U.K. chart on the first week buoyed by fan purchases on day one and perhaps remain for a second week getting traction from the August anniversary. It might be the same for the US, but I’d be surprised to see any reasonably high Top 30 chart placement in either country in all honesty - None of the recent releases of the last few years have seen any chart action in the US Billboard 200 chart, but maybe this one will break the mould.
An TV comercial or a special on one of this shopping channels or an TV Special made for CMT would sure help the selling of this product.
The Image of Elvis Aloha from Hawaii is one of the most famous in the memory of the people
Maybe in the memory of the people several decades ago, but not now in a way that is going to make people rush out and buy this release. And do you have any idea how much TV adverts cost. Sony are not going to spend high costs on TV advertising on a product which is not going to sell many copies. They know what the market will stand and if they thought that they could sell loads of copies through advertising in a big way, they would, because no business I know of turns away the opportunity of making a really nice profit. But they know this release has a limited appeal just like all the recent releases in the last four or five years.

You need to understand that the majority of record sales for this show were generated 50 years ago, and since then, there have been drip feed sales from the various releases that have occurred in the last couple of decades.
If people like Baz Luhrman would have think the same, than a movie like Elvis would never happen.
30 #1 hits album, or the Elvis Symphonic albums would never happen which gave Elvis new million selling albums.
Sometimes it takes only a few steps to get it done.
Like the Elvis Forever album rereleased by the post and than quickly sold 50000 albums.
It could be any big firm like Pizza Hut, Star Bucks, Caddilac or what ever could sponsering or put it in a comercial.
Something like "We are having a great Hawaii Party with Elvis Aloha from Hawaii".
You cannot compare coming up with the idea of doing a brand new movie about Elvis’ career with spending vast sums of money in promoting a 50 year old concert album that has already been released in many guises over the last few decades. The general public are not like hardcore fans who have a need to own every release when it comes out. The companies you mention are NOT going to spend large sums of money sponsoring something that gives them little return or any additional return.

I don’t know why you are obsessed with this kind of thing, although that said, I do - it’s because you are obsessed with seeing Elvis in the charts because it implies that Elvis must still be extremely popular. Well here’s a newsflash for you so you can get the celebrations ready.

On Monday and unless something changes dramatically in general record sales over the last 24 hours, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see that Aloha from Hawaii has got into the mid-week U.K. album chart, although actual position is unknown. However, that will not reflect the popularity of Elvis and this release via the general public, but that the regular hardcore fans have had their pre-ordered copy delivered on the day of release. Then next Friday, it will probably get into the lower part of the actual album chart. If it remains there for a few more weeks around the same position, then you’ll know that the release has generated a bit of interest from the general public. If it disappears after one week, you’ll know that it’s chart entry was down to the hardcore fans.
It could be done by the right people. It could end up with promotion for both who ever would go for it:

You’re still not getting it are you, anSony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, d your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
not worth doing just like the On Tour footage right ?
If the money men believe and decide it is not worth doing because of lack of financial viability, whatever it is, then they won’t do it. If they think they can make some decent money out of it, they will do it. I don’t know any company that turns money away if they know it can be made, whoever the artists is or whatever the product is. If Warner’s now think the market is ready for a revamped On Tour and they will earn a nice profit, then they will go ahead. If they don’t and they think they will lose money, then they won’t. It really is that simple.
yes it is that simple but your statements before had no faith it would be done with sayings such as it's not historical cost is way to high to do and so on, like i said you before you lack vision you only see the obstacles
And I still stand by those statements I made back then, as did others make similar ones, and maybe they still do hold those opinions. As I said, if Warner’s believe the market has now changed and got bigger and "they" now think there is enough interest, and there are no other problems standing in the way, then they are likely to go ahead with such a project.

And it’s not a case of only seeing obstacles when people ask why something has not been released - it is offering probable reasons why something has not been released. And I still do not see Elvis On Tour as being historical in the truest sense.

I see Elvis’ 68 Special as being historical and Elvis’ return to performing ‘live" in Vegas after an absence of so many years and performing to complete sell out shows as being historical. I see Elvis’ performance on the Ed Sullivan shows and the viewer ratings as being historical. I see Elvis and his career in the way it took off as being historical. I see the Aloha event itself as being historical. I see Elvis’ concert at Market Square Arena, Indianapolis as being historical, not because of the contents of the show, but because it was Elvis’ very last performance in stage before he died. All those things can be found and highlighted in appropriate history books on music and artists. But what makes Elvis’ touring in April 1972 any more historical than the tour he did the previous year or the year after.
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Or the audio could have been at the wrong speed :lol: :wink:
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Or the audio could have been at the wrong speed :lol: :wink:
OK, now that was a little funny, but I still reported you.
Just got the vinyl copy. Super clean pressing - no warps or anything like that. But when I played it, I did notice a problem with the speed - a tad too fast.


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Rob wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:49 pm
Paul Allen wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:34 am
djmaciek wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:06 pm
"Elvis Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite | 50th Anniversary Edition" 2 LP Vinyl Record Set... :shock: :lol:
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Yeah, but that could've been worse. Suppose it read... Jancember 24, 1873, 11:90 PM
Paul!
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emjel wrote:
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Paul Allen wrote:
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"Elvis Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite | 50th Anniversary Edition" 2 LP Vinyl Record Set... :shock: :lol:
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Yeah, but that could've been worse. Suppose it read... Jancember 24, 1873, 11:90 PM
Or the audio could have been at the wrong speed :lol: :wink:
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Re: Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

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emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:51 pm
robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:04 pm
emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 pm
robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:02 am
emjel wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:52 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:08 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:04 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:10 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:36 am
emjel wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:41 am
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Is there any advertising outside the Elvis Fan world about this Aloha release in the USA or UK from Sony or others involved?
This one is not expensive and should be more popular also outside the fan world.
It is a document about a TV Special that made history. As a single Performer (even it was not shown by the same time) never again that many people turned on the TV to see one man singing.
For me Aloha is the ultimate highlight of Elvis as the king of music (even he did not like the title).
He had made is fantastic 1968 TV Special, than That´s the Way it is, followed by Elvis On Tour and than this worldwide TV Speccial with a multi million selling album.
Sony will not be spending extra money outside of their awareness emails on marketing this as they will not have the budget to do it. It will get picked up by the press but that’s going to be about it. The public are no more interested in this release, which as mentioned offers nothing new apart from remixes, than they were for the On Tour set, which at least offered three unreleased shows. The main show and rehearsal have been out so many times that any member of the public who still own say the Legacy set from 2013 and the deluxe DVD set are not going to be too bothered about this. It’ll will probably pick up sales from new fans following Baz’s movie who don’t own a copy but it’s not going to be anything mind blowing and the main show is likely to get streamed more which will affect physical sales.

And I think you overestimate the public’s perception of this show 50 years after the event and the fact it was not broadcast around the world when it happened lessened any impact it might have got. Also, it was the event rather than the show that got the attention. The show itself didn’t or doesn’t stand out any more than any other show Elvis performed up to that time - it could have been a regular show performed in Vegas or Tuscaloosa. Yes, he was in great voice most of the time, which he generally was at most shows he performed at, but it doesn’t mean anything to them today in the same way that Live Aid or Rod Stewart performing in front of over 3 million people in 1994 doesn’t. They are events that happened and are in the history books but that’s about it.

As for sales and the charts, it’ll probably pop into the U.K. chart on the first week buoyed by fan purchases on day one and perhaps remain for a second week getting traction from the August anniversary. It might be the same for the US, but I’d be surprised to see any reasonably high Top 30 chart placement in either country in all honesty - None of the recent releases of the last few years have seen any chart action in the US Billboard 200 chart, but maybe this one will break the mould.
An TV comercial or a special on one of this shopping channels or an TV Special made for CMT would sure help the selling of this product.
The Image of Elvis Aloha from Hawaii is one of the most famous in the memory of the people
Maybe in the memory of the people several decades ago, but not now in a way that is going to make people rush out and buy this release. And do you have any idea how much TV adverts cost. Sony are not going to spend high costs on TV advertising on a product which is not going to sell many copies. They know what the market will stand and if they thought that they could sell loads of copies through advertising in a big way, they would, because no business I know of turns away the opportunity of making a really nice profit. But they know this release has a limited appeal just like all the recent releases in the last four or five years.

You need to understand that the majority of record sales for this show were generated 50 years ago, and since then, there have been drip feed sales from the various releases that have occurred in the last couple of decades.
If people like Baz Luhrman would have think the same, than a movie like Elvis would never happen.
30 #1 hits album, or the Elvis Symphonic albums would never happen which gave Elvis new million selling albums.
Sometimes it takes only a few steps to get it done.
Like the Elvis Forever album rereleased by the post and than quickly sold 50000 albums.
It could be any big firm like Pizza Hut, Star Bucks, Caddilac or what ever could sponsering or put it in a comercial.
Something like "We are having a great Hawaii Party with Elvis Aloha from Hawaii".
You cannot compare coming up with the idea of doing a brand new movie about Elvis’ career with spending vast sums of money in promoting a 50 year old concert album that has already been released in many guises over the last few decades. The general public are not like hardcore fans who have a need to own every release when it comes out. The companies you mention are NOT going to spend large sums of money sponsoring something that gives them little return or any additional return.

I don’t know why you are obsessed with this kind of thing, although that said, I do - it’s because you are obsessed with seeing Elvis in the charts because it implies that Elvis must still be extremely popular. Well here’s a newsflash for you so you can get the celebrations ready.

On Monday and unless something changes dramatically in general record sales over the last 24 hours, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see that Aloha from Hawaii has got into the mid-week U.K. album chart, although actual position is unknown. However, that will not reflect the popularity of Elvis and this release via the general public, but that the regular hardcore fans have had their pre-ordered copy delivered on the day of release. Then next Friday, it will probably get into the lower part of the actual album chart. If it remains there for a few more weeks around the same position, then you’ll know that the release has generated a bit of interest from the general public. If it disappears after one week, you’ll know that it’s chart entry was down to the hardcore fans.
It could be done by the right people. It could end up with promotion for both who ever would go for it:

You’re still not getting it are you, anSony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, d your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
not worth doing just like the On Tour footage right ?
If the money men believe and decide it is not worth doing because of lack of financial viability, whatever it is, then they won’t do it. If they think they can make some decent money out of it, they will do it. I don’t know any company that turns money away if they know it can be made, whoever the artists is or whatever the product is. If Warner’s now think the market is ready for a revamped On Tour and they will earn a nice profit, then they will go ahead. If they don’t and they think they will lose money, then they won’t. It really is that simple.
yes it is that simple but your statements before had no faith it would be done with sayings such as it's not historical cost is way to high to do and so on, like i said you before you lack vision you only see the obstacles
And I still stand by those statements I made back then, as did others make similar ones, and maybe they still do hold those opinions. As I said, if Warner’s believe the market has now changed and got bigger and "they" now think there is enough interest, and there are no other problems standing in the way, then they are likely to go ahead with such a project.

And it’s not a case of only seeing obstacles when people ask why something has not been released - it is offering probable reasons why something has not been released. And I still do not see Elvis On Tour as being historical in the truest sense.

I see Elvis’ 68 Special as being historical and Elvis’ return to performing ‘live" in Vegas after an absence of so many years and performing to complete sell out shows as being historical. I see Elvis’ performance on the Ed Sullivan shows and the viewer ratings as being historical. I see Elvis and his career in the way it took off as being historical. I see the Aloha event itself as being historical. I see Elvis’ concert at Market Square Arena, Indianapolis as being historical, not because of the contents of the show, but because it was Elvis’ very last performance in stage before he died. All those things can be found and highlighted in appropriate history books on music and artists.
But what makes Elvis’ touring in April 1972 any more historical than the tour he did the previous year or the year after.

because it's the first and only tour filmed to sellout venues and it's documented and very well done and was awarded a Golden globe,
you kept playing it down like it was extremely unlikely it would ever be done



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Re: Aloha From Hawaii (Deluxe Edition) coming to streaming services August 11th

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robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:25 pm
emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:51 pm
robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:04 pm
emjel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:48 pm
robbie wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:02 am
emjel wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:52 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:08 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:04 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:10 am
emjel wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:36 am
emjel wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:41 am
TheKingOfMusicEP wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:24 am
Is there any advertising outside the Elvis Fan world about this Aloha release in the USA or UK from Sony or others involved?
This one is not expensive and should be more popular also outside the fan world.
It is a document about a TV Special that made history. As a single Performer (even it was not shown by the same time) never again that many people turned on the TV to see one man singing.
For me Aloha is the ultimate highlight of Elvis as the king of music (even he did not like the title).
He had made is fantastic 1968 TV Special, than That´s the Way it is, followed by Elvis On Tour and than this worldwide TV Speccial with a multi million selling album.
Sony will not be spending extra money outside of their awareness emails on marketing this as they will not have the budget to do it. It will get picked up by the press but that’s going to be about it. The public are no more interested in this release, which as mentioned offers nothing new apart from remixes, than they were for the On Tour set, which at least offered three unreleased shows. The main show and rehearsal have been out so many times that any member of the public who still own say the Legacy set from 2013 and the deluxe DVD set are not going to be too bothered about this. It’ll will probably pick up sales from new fans following Baz’s movie who don’t own a copy but it’s not going to be anything mind blowing and the main show is likely to get streamed more which will affect physical sales.

And I think you overestimate the public’s perception of this show 50 years after the event and the fact it was not broadcast around the world when it happened lessened any impact it might have got. Also, it was the event rather than the show that got the attention. The show itself didn’t or doesn’t stand out any more than any other show Elvis performed up to that time - it could have been a regular show performed in Vegas or Tuscaloosa. Yes, he was in great voice most of the time, which he generally was at most shows he performed at, but it doesn’t mean anything to them today in the same way that Live Aid or Rod Stewart performing in front of over 3 million people in 1994 doesn’t. They are events that happened and are in the history books but that’s about it.

As for sales and the charts, it’ll probably pop into the U.K. chart on the first week buoyed by fan purchases on day one and perhaps remain for a second week getting traction from the August anniversary. It might be the same for the US, but I’d be surprised to see any reasonably high Top 30 chart placement in either country in all honesty - None of the recent releases of the last few years have seen any chart action in the US Billboard 200 chart, but maybe this one will break the mould.
An TV comercial or a special on one of this shopping channels or an TV Special made for CMT would sure help the selling of this product.
The Image of Elvis Aloha from Hawaii is one of the most famous in the memory of the people
Maybe in the memory of the people several decades ago, but not now in a way that is going to make people rush out and buy this release. And do you have any idea how much TV adverts cost. Sony are not going to spend high costs on TV advertising on a product which is not going to sell many copies. They know what the market will stand and if they thought that they could sell loads of copies through advertising in a big way, they would, because no business I know of turns away the opportunity of making a really nice profit. But they know this release has a limited appeal just like all the recent releases in the last four or five years.

You need to understand that the majority of record sales for this show were generated 50 years ago, and since then, there have been drip feed sales from the various releases that have occurred in the last couple of decades.
If people like Baz Luhrman would have think the same, than a movie like Elvis would never happen.
30 #1 hits album, or the Elvis Symphonic albums would never happen which gave Elvis new million selling albums.
Sometimes it takes only a few steps to get it done.
Like the Elvis Forever album rereleased by the post and than quickly sold 50000 albums.
It could be any big firm like Pizza Hut, Star Bucks, Caddilac or what ever could sponsering or put it in a comercial.
Something like "We are having a great Hawaii Party with Elvis Aloha from Hawaii".
You cannot compare coming up with the idea of doing a brand new movie about Elvis’ career with spending vast sums of money in promoting a 50 year old concert album that has already been released in many guises over the last few decades. The general public are not like hardcore fans who have a need to own every release when it comes out. The companies you mention are NOT going to spend large sums of money sponsoring something that gives them little return or any additional return.

I don’t know why you are obsessed with this kind of thing, although that said, I do - it’s because you are obsessed with seeing Elvis in the charts because it implies that Elvis must still be extremely popular. Well here’s a newsflash for you so you can get the celebrations ready.

On Monday and unless something changes dramatically in general record sales over the last 24 hours, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see that Aloha from Hawaii has got into the mid-week U.K. album chart, although actual position is unknown. However, that will not reflect the popularity of Elvis and this release via the general public, but that the regular hardcore fans have had their pre-ordered copy delivered on the day of release. Then next Friday, it will probably get into the lower part of the actual album chart. If it remains there for a few more weeks around the same position, then you’ll know that the release has generated a bit of interest from the general public. If it disappears after one week, you’ll know that it’s chart entry was down to the hardcore fans.
It could be done by the right people. It could end up with promotion for both who ever would go for it:

You’re still not getting it are you, anSony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, d your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
not worth doing just like the On Tour footage right ?
If the money men believe and decide it is not worth doing because of lack of financial viability, whatever it is, then they won’t do it. If they think they can make some decent money out of it, they will do it. I don’t know any company that turns money away if they know it can be made, whoever the artists is or whatever the product is. If Warner’s now think the market is ready for a revamped On Tour and they will earn a nice profit, then they will go ahead. If they don’t and they think they will lose money, then they won’t. It really is that simple.
yes it is that simple but your statements before had no faith it would be done with sayings such as it's not historical cost is way to high to do and so on, like i said you before you lack vision you only see the obstacles
And I still stand by those statements I made back then, as did others make similar ones, and maybe they still do hold those opinions. As I said, if Warner’s believe the market has now changed and got bigger and "they" now think there is enough interest, and there are no other problems standing in the way, then they are likely to go ahead with such a project.

And it’s not a case of only seeing obstacles when people ask why something has not been released - it is offering probable reasons why something has not been released. And I still do not see Elvis On Tour as being historical in the truest sense.

I see Elvis’ 68 Special as being historical and Elvis’ return to performing ‘live" in Vegas after an absence of so many years and performing to complete sell out shows as being historical. I see Elvis’ performance on the Ed Sullivan shows and the viewer ratings as being historical. I see Elvis and his career in the way it took off as being historical. I see the Aloha event itself as being historical. I see Elvis’ concert at Market Square Arena, Indianapolis as being historical, not because of the contents of the show, but because it was Elvis’ very last performance in stage before he died. All those things can be found and highlighted in appropriate history books on music and artists.
But what makes Elvis’ touring in April 1972 any more historical than the tour he did the previous year or the year after.

because it's the first and only tour filmed to sellout venues and it's documented and very well done and was awarded a Golden globe,
you kept playing it down like it was extremely unlikely it would ever be done
Yet it could have been filmed the year before or the year after, but It’s still Elvis on tour. Just because it was the first one filmed does not make it historical or historic in the truest sense. Do you regard Loving You as being historic because it was the first Elvis movie filmed in colour? Do you regard Charro as being historic because it is his only film where Elvis does not appear on screen singing. Yes, On Tour won a Golden Globe, but there are lots of films that got and continue to get that award, but it does not necessarily make them historic.

There will be a list of things that Elvis will be truly remembered for in the history books including some of those things that I previously mentioned. However, I personally do not see Elvis on Tour being included in that list as a great achievement of historic worth. Had a movie company filmed Elvis’ appearance and shows at Madison Square Garden, I would probably regard them as being historic because of the four sell out shows over the two days was a really big event in New York - the venue itself is historic.

Regarding your closing remark, the word unlikely is important. Lots of people make comments about things that are unlikely to happen. If you asked someone back in the 30s whether a man would walk on the moon, some would probably have said it would never happen whilst others might have said it is unlikely to happen. If you told someone in 2018 that Covid would affect the world with such devastation within 12 months, the response from some would probably be similar.

It really isn’t any big deal that something then happens that changes an outcome, If a revamped On Tour comes out because previous barriers have been removed or there is bigger interest in Elvis than there was two years ago, then great. But quite what this has to do with Sony advertising or not advertising the Aloha from Hawaii set in a big way, I have no idea.


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I am still enjoying the hell out of the 12/01/73 show, lyrical flubs an' all.

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After listening to the three cds, I´ve finished watching the main Aloha From Hawaii concert, January 14th, 1973.

IMO, in closer captions I noticed an improvement in video quality, the more tanned colour on Elvis doesn´t bother me, it´s true that in long distance captions the image is blurry :(. Anyway, I´m happy with the bluray release! 8).

P.S: Shame that the two press conferences, commercials & one sort of documentary was not included.....This would had made it a complete package! :facep:.
I’d like to know your opinion on the remix done on the 3 CD. I know it can be subjective. How much is it better. Better than the FTD ?
I´m not an audio "guru", to me on differences of sound, it´s very marginal.... :wink:. Bye for now :smt006.


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RCA still can't proofread material. Sonny West becomes Sony West in a photo credit on page 6! Perhaps someone did a spell check for Sony, and changed Sonny's name in error? Maybe someday they'll get a release perfectly right - but I'm not holding my breath.

Something else that made me smile was the recognition that a live single of STEAMROLLER BLUES does NOT have a live photo (most every studio single in the '70s did) and the live album of Elvis as recorded at the Memphis Mid-South Coliseum has pictures of his HOUSE, while every other studio album in the '70s had at least one live photo. Go figure.
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I just spent an hour to myself watching this wonderfully restored (3rd generation) video that I synced to Matt Ross-Spang's new mix (with headphones)... I enjoyed it thoroughly!!




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Is there any advertising outside the Elvis Fan world about this Aloha release in the USA or UK from Sony or others involved?
This one is not expensive and should be more popular also outside the fan world.
It is a document about a TV Special that made history. As a single Performer (even it was not shown by the same time) never again that many people turned on the TV to see one man singing.
For me Aloha is the ultimate highlight of Elvis as the king of music (even he did not like the title).
He had made is fantastic 1968 TV Special, than That´s the Way it is, followed by Elvis On Tour and than this worldwide TV Speccial with a multi million selling album.
Sony will not be spending extra money outside of their awareness emails on marketing this as they will not have the budget to do it. It will get picked up by the press but that’s going to be about it. The public are no more interested in this release, which as mentioned offers nothing new apart from remixes, than they were for the On Tour set, which at least offered three unreleased shows. The main show and rehearsal have been out so many times that any member of the public who still own say the Legacy set from 2013 and the deluxe DVD set are not going to be too bothered about this. It’ll will probably pick up sales from new fans following Baz’s movie who don’t own a copy but it’s not going to be anything mind blowing and the main show is likely to get streamed more which will affect physical sales.

And I think you overestimate the public’s perception of this show 50 years after the event and the fact it was not broadcast around the world when it happened lessened any impact it might have got. Also, it was the event rather than the show that got the attention. The show itself didn’t or doesn’t stand out any more than any other show Elvis performed up to that time - it could have been a regular show performed in Vegas or Tuscaloosa. Yes, he was in great voice most of the time, which he generally was at most shows he performed at, but it doesn’t mean anything to them today in the same way that Live Aid or Rod Stewart performing in front of over 3 million people in 1994 doesn’t. They are events that happened and are in the history books but that’s about it.

As for sales and the charts, it’ll probably pop into the U.K. chart on the first week buoyed by fan purchases on day one and perhaps remain for a second week getting traction from the August anniversary. It might be the same for the US, but I’d be surprised to see any reasonably high Top 30 chart placement in either country in all honesty - None of the recent releases of the last few years have seen any chart action in the US Billboard 200 chart, but maybe this one will break the mould.
An TV comercial or a special on one of this shopping channels or an TV Special made for CMT would sure help the selling of this product.
The Image of Elvis Aloha from Hawaii is one of the most famous in the memory of the people
Maybe in the memory of the people several decades ago, but not now in a way that is going to make people rush out and buy this release. And do you have any idea how much TV adverts cost. Sony are not going to spend high costs on TV advertising on a product which is not going to sell many copies. They know what the market will stand and if they thought that they could sell loads of copies through advertising in a big way, they would, because no business I know of turns away the opportunity of making a really nice profit. But they know this release has a limited appeal just like all the recent releases in the last four or five years.

You need to understand that the majority of record sales for this show were generated 50 years ago, and since then, there have been drip feed sales from the various releases that have occurred in the last couple of decades.
If people like Baz Luhrman would have think the same, than a movie like Elvis would never happen.
30 #1 hits album, or the Elvis Symphonic albums would never happen which gave Elvis new million selling albums.
Sometimes it takes only a few steps to get it done.
Like the Elvis Forever album rereleased by the post and than quickly sold 50000 albums.
It could be any big firm like Pizza Hut, Star Bucks, Caddilac or what ever could sponsering or put it in a comercial.
Something like "We are having a great Hawaii Party with Elvis Aloha from Hawaii".
You cannot compare coming up with the idea of doing a brand new movie about Elvis’ career with spending vast sums of money in promoting a 50 year old concert album that has already been released in many guises over the last few decades. The general public are not like hardcore fans who have a need to own every release when it comes out. The companies you mention are NOT going to spend large sums of money sponsoring something that gives them little return or any additional return.

I don’t know why you are obsessed with this kind of thing, although that said, I do - it’s because you are obsessed with seeing Elvis in the charts because it implies that Elvis must still be extremely popular. Well here’s a newsflash for you so you can get the celebrations ready.

On Monday and unless something changes dramatically in general record sales over the last 24 hours, it is pretty much guaranteed that you will see that Aloha from Hawaii has got into the mid-week U.K. album chart, although actual position is unknown. However, that will not reflect the popularity of Elvis and this release via the general public, but that the regular hardcore fans have had their pre-ordered copy delivered on the day of release. Then next Friday, it will probably get into the lower part of the actual album chart. If it remains there for a few more weeks around the same position, then you’ll know that the release has generated a bit of interest from the general public. If it disappears after one week, you’ll know that it’s chart entry was down to the hardcore fans.
It could be done by the right people. It could end up with promotion for both who ever would go for it:

You’re still not getting it are you, anSony felt that it was going to be worth doing, they would have done it, but they haven’t, because it is not worth spending the money, d your obsession, which is proven by your search for all this video stuff, is clearly clouding your judgement. If and even more so when it is a company that is spending the money to advertise the product of another company. All the ads you have searched and posted are advertising the relevant big player company itself and just using a bit of Elvis music or image as some kind of backdrop. Just give it up and accept that your desire is not going to happen with this release.
not worth doing just like the On Tour footage right ?
If the money men believe and decide it is not worth doing because of lack of financial viability, whatever it is, then they won’t do it. If they think they can make some decent money out of it, they will do it. I don’t know any company that turns money away if they know it can be made, whoever the artists is or whatever the product is. If Warner’s now think the market is ready for a revamped On Tour and they will earn a nice profit, then they will go ahead. If they don’t and they think they will lose money, then they won’t. It really is that simple.
yes it is that simple but your statements before had no faith it would be done with sayings such as it's not historical cost is way to high to do and so on, like i said you before you lack vision you only see the obstacles
And I still stand by those statements I made back then, as did others make similar ones, and maybe they still do hold those opinions. As I said, if Warner’s believe the market has now changed and got bigger and "they" now think there is enough interest, and there are no other problems standing in the way, then they are likely to go ahead with such a project.

And it’s not a case of only seeing obstacles when people ask why something has not been released - it is offering probable reasons why something has not been released. And I still do not see Elvis On Tour as being historical in the truest sense.

I see Elvis’ 68 Special as being historical and Elvis’ return to performing ‘live" in Vegas after an absence of so many years and performing to complete sell out shows as being historical. I see Elvis’ performance on the Ed Sullivan shows and the viewer ratings as being historical. I see Elvis and his career in the way it took off as being historical. I see the Aloha event itself as being historical. I see Elvis’ concert at Market Square Arena, Indianapolis as being historical, not because of the contents of the show, but because it was Elvis’ very last performance in stage before he died. All those things can be found and highlighted in appropriate history books on music and artists.
But what makes Elvis’ touring in April 1972 any more historical than the tour he did the previous year or the year after.

because it's the first and only tour filmed to sellout venues and it's documented and very well done and was awarded a Golden globe,
you kept playing it down like it was extremely unlikely it would ever be done
Yet it could have been filmed the year before or the year after, but It’s still Elvis on tour. Just because it was the first one filmed does not make it historical or historic in the truest sense. Do you regard Loving You as being historic because it was the first Elvis movie filmed in colour? Do you regard Charro as being historic because it is his only film where Elvis does not appear on screen singing. Yes, On Tour won a Golden Globe, but there are lots of films that got and continue to get that award, but it does not necessarily make them historic.

There will be a list of things that Elvis will be truly remembered for in the history books including some of those things that I previously mentioned. However, I personally do not see Elvis on Tour being included in that list as a great achievement of historic worth. Had a movie company filmed Elvis’ appearance and shows at Madison Square Garden, I would probably regard them as being historic because of the four sell out shows over the two days was a really big event in New York - the venue itself is historic.

Regarding your closing remark, the word unlikely is important. Lots of people make comments about things that are unlikely to happen. If you asked someone back in the 30s whether a man would walk on the moon, some would probably have said it would never happen whilst others might have said it is unlikely to happen. If you told someone in 2018 that Covid would affect the world with such devastation within 12 months, the response from some would probably be similar.

It really isn’t any big deal that something then happens that changes an outcome, If a revamped On Tour comes out because previous barriers have been removed or there is bigger interest in Elvis than there was two years ago, then great. But quite what this has to do with Sony advertising or not advertising the Aloha from Hawaii set in a big way, I have no idea.
so extremely unlikely to be released because you see it as not historic enough and as you said before the cost of scanning restoring editing song rights and so on would not be cost effective




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"Elvis Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite | 50th Anniversary Edition" 2 LP Vinyl Record Set... :shock: :lol:
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Yes, I automatically noticed this myself as I was going through the credits and am thinking 🤔 this typo got screwed up as this was the date the concert was mixed before release.


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"Elvis Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite | 50th Anniversary Edition" 2 LP Vinyl Record Set... :shock: :lol:
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Yeah, but that could've been worse. Suppose it read... Jancember 24, 1873, 11:90 PM
At best, I believe this to be in error due to engineering issues, but still, such simplicity in regards to credits is extremely novice.


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Mike Windgren wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:47 pm
Hi there!! :D :D :D.
Tornado wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:21 am
Mike Windgren wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:05 pm

After listening to the three cds, I´ve finished watching the main Aloha From Hawaii concert, January 14th, 1973.

IMO, in closer captions I noticed an improvement in video quality, the more tanned colour on Elvis doesn´t bother me, it´s true that in long distance captions the image is blurry :(. Anyway, I´m happy with the bluray release! 8).

P.S: Shame that the two press conferences, commercials & one sort of documentary was not included.....This would had made it a complete package! :facep:.
I’d like to know your opinion on the remix done on the 3 CD. I know it can be subjective. How much is it better. Better than the FTD ?
I´m not an audio "guru", to me on differences of sound, it´s very marginal.... :wink:. Bye for now :smt006.
Thanks for answer. Here we are now . After all these years of numerous remixing, any forth coming release will hardly be really improved. It begs the question. How much can one upgrade the sound considering the sources of another era. So I for one, am satisfied with my Sony and FTD collection. Next year, Sony/FTD will probably adresse the live 1974 Memphis show. And guess what. They will proudly announce a new remix. 😀🥳🤩. Go figure. End of story.



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Tornado wrote:
Mike Windgren wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:47 pm
Hi there!! :D :D :D.
Tornado wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:21 am
Mike Windgren wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:05 pm

After listening to the three cds, I´ve finished watching the main Aloha From Hawaii concert, January 14th, 1973.

IMO, in closer captions I noticed an improvement in video quality, the more tanned colour on Elvis doesn´t bother me, it´s true that in long distance captions the image is blurry :(. Anyway, I´m happy with the bluray release! 8).

P.S: Shame that the two press conferences, commercials & one sort of documentary was not included.....This would had made it a complete package! :facep:.
I’d like to know your opinion on the remix done on the 3 CD. I know it can be subjective. How much is it better. Better than the FTD ?
I´m not an audio "guru", to me on differences of sound, it´s very marginal.... :wink:. Bye for now :smt006.
Thanks for answer. Here we are now . After all these years of numerous remixing, any forth coming release will hardly be really improved. It begs the question. How much can one upgrade the sound considering the sources of another era. So I for one, am satisfied with my Sony and FTD collection. Next year, Sony/FTD will probably adresse the live 1974 Memphis show. And guess what. They will proudly announce a new remix. ImageImageImage. Go figure. End of story.
You have a point. And yet, sometimes is not just technology but engineer’s choices. For instance, if you listen to the end of I’ll remember you on the 2013 alternate aloha remix, you’ll notice there are no back up voices. The stamps etc were there and were singing . But the engineer thought it cool to bring them down. Or take the Memphis 1974 remix from 2014. Finally there were some instruments clearly audible, but the engineer chose to bring up the inspirations too loud and, besides, he gave a dry as a bone sound not to keen on a love recording. Back in 2013 and 2014 it could have been done right. Now, as far as I’m concerned, on tour, MSG, and aloha all sound the best, thanks to MRS choices.

As a side note: my hope was always to have an Anesini remix of both NYC and aloha shows in the classic album 7” series and leave the more modern oriented MRS mixes for the main label.

Another side note: time for MRS to put some work on the 1969-1976 studio final masters.


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