portlandjulian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:16 am
emjel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:26 pm
portlandjulian wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:53 pm
emjel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:33 pm
Yep because that chart is based purely on ‘sales’ where people have paid to buy the product, and it does not include streaming numbers which means that the total of 1196 that includes everything which is used for the main Top 100 chart last week would be slightly less. And there is no real surprise on that because the majority of Elvis fans will go for the physical product rather than downloads or streaming and there’s probably going to be a bit of double dipping with some fans buying both the CD set and the vinyl. But it still means that not enough numbers were generated for it to appear in the main Top 100 album chart.
Now whether that number will get a boost this week because of Elvis week is anyone’s guess, but the fact that the main chart covered sales up to August 18th makes that possibility questionable.
Yes I do know what a sales chart is and how it is compiled.
What i do not understand is the need to be negative about my post, which is me trying to be positive !
It has nothing to do with being negative but simply pointing out that when streaming is taken out if the equation, which is the popular method of listening or getting into music these days by the current generation, that it tends to distort things. No doubt, the entry would be higher if it was a chart based purely on solo singers or even higher still if it was based on solo male singers. We had something like that in another thread when the sales analysis success of an album was broken down into a chart which excluded groups, female singers and concentrated on the genre of the music.
The fact is that in the main Top 100 album chart, which is the one that is really acknowledged as being the chart the covers everything, that it did not come into it. Why do you need to try and be positive on the subject as if it is some kind of major achievement. We know that the majority of sales, if not all of them, were from fans who must own every release on the day it becomes available…and almost on autopilot.
As you asked.............I did not need to try and be positive on the subject as if it it is some kind of major achievement, those were your words not mine !!!! I tried to be upbeat about the fact that that I felt it was great that it charted in the chart based on sales only and yes i do know that the main top 100 album chart also includes streaming, and downloads, I was trying to see the positive in that. As i was based in the UK for most of my life I have been around long enough to watch the chart rules for the UK change and adapt over the last 30 years, some changes good and some not so good. However I feel that since I can currently in remission from stage 3 and a half cancer, I have earned the right to be positive about what ever I want, life is to short, I dont live in a bubble and I am not one of those fans that you talked about who must own every release on the day of release and almost on autopilot, but what if I was ! If that makes someone happy so be it, its their life. `
I don’t think I said that you don’t have the right to be positive, whatever that means in the case of this release, but equally then, I have the right to try and put things into context and perspective.
You seem to be contradicting yourself when you claim that you were not seeing it as a major achievement yet you still felt felt that it was great that it charted based on sales. The question however remains - why do you feel the need to be upbeat about the fact that the release charted in a sub chart when we know it was off the back of what is often classed as a guaranteed sales platform from Elvis fans who would have bought it on day one because it has Elvis’ name on the label and they are buying it to keep the collection intact.
We have seen in the past where some Elvis fans have even said that they have bought multiple copies of a new Elvis album to give away the extra copies as presents to friends and family just to get the numbers up see said album in the chart. Now I don’t have a problem with them buying multiple copies - it’s their choice and their money, but then to get overly excited because the album has charted as if it is extremely popular and a great achievement seems bizarre to me, and I suspect equally bizarre to others too.
With the exception of the RPO albums which sold extremely well, although it seems that all albums sold pretty well from a variety of artists that followed the same approach of releasing records with new RPO backings, new Elvis releases sell virtually the same number in the U.K. on the first week of release, then chart for one or two weeks, and then disappear, although with the last two releases, they have both failed to chart which seems to go against the claims made by some that Elvis’ records are now flying off the shelves, not literally of course, but you know what I mean.
You could probably create a list of Elvis fans and put a tick by their names of who was going to buy the next release well in advance of the actual release date and have a high percentage chance of getting the ticks in the correct place.
That aside, sorry to hear about your illness and glad to know that you are now recovering. As you said, time is too short to argue about such things, but as adults, I prefer them to be regarded as having reasonable debates, where at times, people will differ with their thoughts.
