You do no know the ABBA story, no problem for meemjel wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 12:12 pmI asked you why you repeated what I wrote and your answer is…."The same reason ABBA made music videos, because of the endless touring and at least one of the members did not want to tour that much". Bizarre.TheKingOfMusicEP wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 11:28 amThe same reason ABBA made music videos, because of the endless touring and at least one of the members did not want to tour that much.emjel wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 11:10 amWhy repeat what I wrote - "The only reason people came from all over the world to watch an Elvis show and that was primarily in Vegas, was because he never appeared outside of the USA". In other words, had he toured across the world like other artists, they would not have had the need to travel from all over the world to see him. And that was one of the marketing things about him doing Aloha, so that people who could not travel could get to see a typical Elvis show in their own country.TheKingOfMusicEP wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:59 amThe only reason why people came to his concerts from all over the world is because to see him perform!emjel wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 2:44 amYes we can indeed discuss the viewer numbers for Aloha back and forth for a long time, but so far, you have offered nothing to support your claim, so there is nothing to discuss or debate.TheKingOfMusicEP wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 1:05 amWe can now discuss back and forth for a long time how many people have seen Aloha from Hawaii with a time delay or later dates, but it is true that in these 3 years no other musician has released a TV special and 2 concert movies that are only about as big. In addition, there are several live albums that have sold very well. People came from all over the world to see his always full concerts. All this together clearly sets Elvis apart from the Other Artists 1970 - 1973.drjohncarpenter wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 10:14 pm
This now-insufferable topic is reaching the outer limits. You can enjoy your apples and oranges debates from here until the next century, but none of it really matters. Elvis' place is history is assured, and what his music is doing at retail in secondary markets in the current era will not change that.
However, moving to delusional statements like the above is really weird.
The Apollo 11 moon landing on Sunday, July 20, 1969 was an extraordinary event that changed human history. A television special taped in Hawaii by anyone doesn't come close, in terms of worldwide viewership, or anything else. Among other things, across the three major U.S. networks, ABC, CBS and NBC, ratings showed that 94% of Americans watched. I'm sure Elvis was among them, too.
Apollo 11: 'The greatest single broadcast in television history'
TV Networks Launched Out-of-This-World Moon Landing
The Apollo 11 Mission Was Also a Global Media Sensation
1969 Moon Landing - Date, Facts, Video
Okay, now back to your apples and oranges.
The only reason people came from all over the world to watch an Elvis show and that was primarily in Vegas was because he never appeared outside of the USA. Now that might be unique in some way, but not necessarily for the right reasons and that for me knocks Elvis down the rating a bit for the best live performer in the said years of this thread.
Here’s a link to a few Top Live albums listings. Rolling Stone Top 10 Reader’s Poll for Best Live Albums of the 70’s and another from Classic Rock History, but I could not see any Elvis album listed.
The last one is a Top 100 which seems to cover 60s and 70s, There are a few which get a mention in all three listings including Frampton Comes Alive which it seems has sold over 20 million units worldwide. But there is no Elvis.
What does that tell us. Well nothing that is 100% conclusive I guess, as it’s all subjective, but I would have thought Elvis would have made the latter listing if his shows/live albums are regarded as highly as you suggest.
As has been mentioned, nothing will change Elvis’ iconic status as that is already in the history books, but you can be assured that his iconic status is not off the back of his live performances between 1970 and 1973.
But the people came from all over the world to see Elvis. Would they have come that many to see Led Zeppelin?
The thing with the great open air tours is, that most of the big names made, make a concert in the same region only with some years in between the next one there. To make sure to sell 50000 tickets or more. If Elvis wanted to make such an open air tour he would have sold the tickets as well.
I did read he did not like to do the big stadium concerts.
ABBA made music videos the same way as lots of other artists did - to help promote singles. Elvis did not do that. But ABBA did tour the world regardless of whether one member was not too keen on the travelling.
But you”re still missing the point being made. The only way fans could see Elvis live was to travel across the world. That’s it. But because they did that, it does not make him the best or greatest live artist in the period mentioned does it which is what you appear to be trying to prove.
With regard to Led Zeppelin, at least they did tour the world unlike Elvis. So your point is irrelevant.
One of the members did not want to tour that much anymore, for her own reasons.
You always miss my points too.
You sure will this point too:
Anyway, I booked New York. You have to look it up. I think it was 4 shows the first time. Four shows, that's 80,000 people, 80,000 people for a music star. They came and slept outside Madison Square Garden for two weeks to get tickets. They slept. They brought beds. They brought cots. They brought bed roles. It was amazing. And that had never been done before. Nobody had done it.
And I remember taking my dad down because my dad always wanted to know how I made money. He said, 'How do you make money? I don't understand how you make money. You don't have any inventory or anything. You know, I don't know what you're selling'. And I said, 'No. I make money, plenty of money'. He said, 'Well, show me some time. I'd like to see it'. I remember taking my dad. There was a cafeteria right across the street from Madison Square Garden. That night we opened a box office, I think it was at nine that morning and I showed him these people who I was giving donuts to and coffee and he said, 'What are these people doing. I don't understand. The World Series. What is this?' I said, 'No. It's Elvis Presley, dad. He's as big as Babe Ruth was. He's as big as Joe DiMaggio was. He's as big as the Dodgers were. He's the man'. And that's what Madison Square Garden. It meant a lot to me. You know, it meant an awful lot. It was my hometown and then to see that sign up in the garden Jerry Weintraub presents Elvis. It was thrilling....
Everybody. Everybody I know, every important person, every little person. Every person, kids, I mean kids, you know, 10-year-old kids ask me about Elvis. He spans all ages'.