CONCERTS AT WRONG SPEED

[Christopher Brown]

Can someone list the FTDs and Soundboards that have been released at the wrong pitch, and what adjustment to make to get them right? A friend of mine will make the adjustments for me. Thanks!

[Walter Hale 4]

The answer is audacity, mate. Download and learn it. You'll feel like a champion.

[promiseland]

Can someone list the FTDs and Soundboards that have been released at the wrong pitch, and what adjustment to make to get them right? A friend of mine will make the adjustments for me. Thanks!

So are you planning on just buying the ones you find out are the wrong speed? Or do you already have the entire collection of FTD and soundboards?

[Christopher Brown]

I have just about EVERY FTD -- EVERY soundboard, for sure.

[promiseland]

I have just about EVERY FTD -- EVERY soundboard, for sure.

That's cool! I have around 1500 CDs of Elvis all together .

[G.I. Blues]

[Jim Dandy]

Omaha 77 runs at the wrong speed, but the tape runs at the right speed.

[James27]

A valid and important question, and I would like to know, too. Several FTD's have been released in the bootleg circuit at "corrected speed/pitch".

[Mike C]

Off the top of my head, here are the FTD shows running at the wrong speed:

Live in L.A. (May 11th, 1974 Evening Show)
From Hawaii to Vegas (Jan. 25, 1973 rehearsal)

[James27]

Thanks Mike!

I have looked a bit on the elvisoncd.com website.

The 21-08-74 M.S. (FTD's Nevada Nights cd2) has been re-released too, (supposedly) speed-corrected, by a bootleg label, as "Around Midnight" (Verve). The same label that re-released the L.A. show speed-corrected. But I don't know if this 21-08-74 M.S. show really runs at the wrong speed/pitch on the FTD. It sounded fine when I first heard it, but that was a while ago. And then there's "Autumn Gold", earlier released less complete by FTD as "Dragon Heart", but I haven't read that this show was specifically speed-corrected (although claimed by the label as "sonically superior", whatever that's supposed to mean).

The early '73 rehearsal I saw included on a bootleg 2-cd called "Livin' On The Edge" (label Touchdown Productions). This is supposed to be speed-corrected as compared to the FTD. Don't know about that claim either.

[joekro1977]

Resurrecting this topic because I'd like to know as well.

The other thread with all the nonsense about dates, run times, white borders, blah, blah, blah doesn't seem to nail this topic down.

Here's what I think I know:

This issue strictly effects 1974 recordings (is this correct?)

Live in LA - 5% speed up required
Hometown Shows (both?) - 2.5% speed up required
Omaha 74 (both) - 2.5% speed up required
Murfreesboro (both) - 2.5% speed up required

What about "48 hours to Memphis" or "ERLOSIM"?

[Elvis2000]

Resurrecting this topic because I'd like to know as well.

The other thread with all the nonsense about dates, run times, white borders, blah, blah, blah doesn't seem to nail this topic down.

Here's what I think I know:

This issue strictly effects 1974 recordings (is this correct?)

Live in LA - 5% speed up required
Hometown Shows (both?) - 2.5% speed up required
Omaha 74 (both) - 2.5% speed up required
Murfreesboro (both) - 2.5% speed up required

What about "48 hours to Memphis" or "ERLOSIM"?

48hrs and Live On Stage In Memphis are fine. Hometown shows disc one is slow by 2% and the 1975 show is fine, to me the Omaha shows are running 3.5% too slow and you are right on the Murfreesboro percentage.

While I'm at it,

(These all run slower than they should be.)

Boston Garden is off by 3%
Both shows on Lake Tahoe '74 is off by 3%.
Nevada Nights disc two is off by 1.5%.
Las Vegas '74, both are off by 3%.
Dragonheart is surprisingly fine, the boot is off.
America, the Omaha part is off by 3%.
Bicentennial Show disc two is off by 2% and same goes for the show from the following day.

[joekro1977]

Resurrecting this topic because I'd like to know as well.

The other thread with all the nonsense about dates, run times, white borders, blah, blah, blah doesn't seem to nail this topic down.

Here's what I think I know:

This issue strictly effects 1974 recordings (is this correct?)

Live in LA - 5% speed up required
Hometown Shows (both?) - 2.5% speed up required
Omaha 74 (both) - 2.5% speed up required
Murfreesboro (both) - 2.5% speed up required

What about "48 hours to Memphis" or "ERLOSIM"?

48hrs and Live On Stage In Memphis are fine. Hometown shows disc one is slow by 2% and the 1975 show is fine, to me the Omaha shows are running 3.5% too slow and you are right on the Murfreesboro percentage.

While I'm at it,

(These all run slower than they should be.)

Boston Garden is off by 3%
Both shows on Lake Tahoe '74 is off by 3%.
Nevada Nights disc two is off by 1.5%.
Las Vegas '74, both are off by 3%.
Dragonheart is surprisingly fine, the boot is off.
America, the Omaha part is off by 3%.
Bicentennial Show disc one is off by 3%, disc two is off by 2% and same goes for the show from the following day.

Bingo - just what I needed.

I have Audacity and I'm going to fix these myself. I have about half the FTD's on this list and I'm looking forward to hearing the difference.

Curious about Nevada Nights Disc 2. I believe there were portions of that show that were previously released on the 4CD "Live in Las Vegas" - was the speed off on that release as well?

[Elvis2000]

Resurrecting this topic because I'd like to know as well.

The other thread with all the nonsense about dates, run times, white borders, blah, blah, blah doesn't seem to nail this topic down.

Here's what I think I know:

This issue strictly effects 1974 recordings (is this correct?)

Live in LA - 5% speed up required
Hometown Shows (both?) - 2.5% speed up required
Omaha 74 (both) - 2.5% speed up required
Murfreesboro (both) - 2.5% speed up required

What about "48 hours to Memphis" or "ERLOSIM"?

48hrs and Live On Stage In Memphis are fine. Hometown shows disc one is slow by 2% and the 1975 show is fine, to me the Omaha shows are running 3.5% too slow and you are right on the Murfreesboro percentage.

While I'm at it,

(These all run slower than they should be.)

Boston Garden is off by 3%
Both shows on Lake Tahoe '74 is off by 3%.
Nevada Nights disc two is off by 1.5%.
Las Vegas '74, both are off by 3%.
Dragonheart is surprisingly fine, the boot is off.
America, the Omaha part is off by 3%.
Bicentennial Show disc one is off by 3%, disc two is off by 2% and same goes for the show from the following day.

Bingo - just what I needed.

I have Audacity and I'm going to fix these myself. I have about half the FTD's on this list and I'm looking forward to hearing the difference.

Curious about Nevada Nights Disc 2. I believe there were portions of that show that were previously released on the 4CD "Live in Las Vegas" - was the speed off on that release as well?

I haven't touched the Live In Las Vegas in a very long time, so i can't remember, but it most likely will have the same issue.
Also, I forgot to mention that Rockin' Across Texas disc one is running 3.5% too slow, it sounds so much better when corrected. In fact it improved the show so much that it is now my favorite recording from the tour it comes from, because the orchestra sounds like it wasn't recorded, which is a great thing.

[Elvis2000]

Resurrecting this topic because I'd like to know as well.

The other thread with all the nonsense about dates, run times, white borders, blah, blah, blah doesn't seem to nail this topic down.

Here's what I think I know:

This issue strictly effects 1974 recordings (is this correct?)

Live in LA - 5% speed up required
Hometown Shows (both?) - 2.5% speed up required
Omaha 74 (both) - 2.5% speed up required
Murfreesboro (both) - 2.5% speed up required

What about "48 hours to Memphis" or "ERLOSIM"?

48hrs and Live On Stage In Memphis are fine. Hometown shows disc one is slow by 2% and the 1975 show is fine, to me the Omaha shows are running 3.5% too slow and you are right on the Murfreesboro percentage.

While I'm at it,

(These all run slower than they should be.)

Boston Garden is off by 3%
Both shows on Lake Tahoe '74 is off by 3%.
Nevada Nights disc two is off by 1.5%.
Las Vegas '74, both are off by 3%.
Dragonheart is surprisingly fine, the boot is off.
America, the Omaha part is off by 3%.
Bicentennial Show disc one is off by 3%, disc two is off by 2% and same goes for the show from the following day.

Bingo - just what I needed.

I have Audacity and I'm going to fix these myself. I have about half the FTD's on this list and I'm looking forward to hearing the difference.

Curious about Nevada Nights Disc 2. I believe there were portions of that show that were previously released on the 4CD "Live in Las Vegas" - was the speed off on that release as well?

I haven't touched the Live In Las Vegas in a very long time, so i can't remember, but it most likely will have the same issue.
Also, I forgot to mention that Rockin' Across Texas disc one is running 3.5% too slow, it sounds so much better when corrected. In fact it improved the show so much that it is now my favorite recording from the tour it comes from, because the orchestra sounds like it wasn't recorded, which is a great thing.

And the third Omaha show (July 1) is running 2.5% too slow.

[flamingstar81]

Resurrecting this topic because I'd like to know as well.

The other thread with all the nonsense about dates, run times, white borders, blah, blah, blah doesn't seem to nail this topic down.

Here's what I think I know:

This issue strictly effects 1974 recordings (is this correct?)

Live in LA - 5% speed up required
Hometown Shows (both?) - 2.5% speed up required
Omaha 74 (both) - 2.5% speed up required
Murfreesboro (both) - 2.5% speed up required

What about "48 hours to Memphis" or "ERLOSIM"?

48hrs and Live On Stage In Memphis are fine. Hometown shows disc one is slow by 2% and the 1975 show is fine, to me the Omaha shows are running 3.5% too slow and you are right on the Murfreesboro percentage.

While I'm at it,

(These all run slower than they should be.)

Boston Garden is off by 3%
Both shows on Lake Tahoe '74 is off by 3%.
Nevada Nights disc two is off by 1.5%.
Las Vegas '74, both are off by 3%.
Dragonheart is surprisingly fine, the boot is off.
America, the Omaha part is off by 3%.
Bicentennial Show disc one is off by 3%, disc two is off by 2% and same goes for the show from the following day.

Thank you both for this information

[TCB Band]

This is going to sound so stupid, but how do we know they're running at the wrong speed and is there a reason that FTD didn't fix them?

[Elvis2000]

This is going to sound so stupid, but how do we know they're running at the wrong speed and is there a reason that FTD didn't fix them?

You can tell if they are off by listening to the pitch.
Also it's not that FTD doesn't to fix them, it's the engineer who doesn't fix them because he can't tell if it's off.

[skabillyrebels]

I find this software good for time an pitch Song Surgeon 5 pro.
iZotope RX 4 for tape dropouts plus an Azimuth Adjustment

[elvisjock]

Do we think that Vegas, 03/22/75 MS runs slow? Or is it that Elvis has more bottom in his voice than usual (perhaps after a cold)?

[TCB Band]

This is going to sound so stupid, but how do we know they're running at the wrong speed and is there a reason that FTD didn't fix them?

You can tell if they are off by listening to the pitch.
Also it's not that FTD doesn't to fix them, it's the engineer who doesn't fix them because he can't tell if it's off.

Ok thanks. The reason I asked is because I don't have, or haven't listened to (yet), the FTDs mentioned. I wasn't sure if it was an FTD issue because of the bootlegs but I forgot about audience recordings. Thanks!

[LSP-4445]

I had no idea so many shows on FTD was running slow,I knew Live In La,the rehersal and the soundboard(s) from this year and 2017 but not the rest.

[flamingstar81]

Does anyone know by how much % the speed is off for the 'Spanish eyes' CD by fort baxter?

I know gravel road released this show in the correct speed but I prefer the fort baxter sound. This is one of my favourite shows, love the version of bridge over troubled water.

Thanks in advance.

[dannyboy1]

I find its best to trust my own ears, rather than let someone else tell me.

Make a bunch of samples and you'll soon be able to tell which are the closest to natural sound and pitch. Then experiment up and down and eventually Elvis' voice jumps out at you, sounding just like it should.

And yes. Audacity is one of the best programs. Allows you to adjust speed and pitch, either together or separately.

[Frenchie]

This is an old thread but is it possible to make a more complete list of ftd and boots soundboard or audience at the wrong speed and % they need?

Unless it is very noticeable ( hiltonshowroom vol 7) i have not the ear to

But there are some of you who can