drjohncarpenter wrote:
Again, the key here is how Elvis addresses the song in those August concerts. It is not presented as a private recording he made. Instead, Presley offers it up as something cut at the beginning of his career proper, that did get some brief airplay.
"The second record that I ever recorded, when I first started out in the business, was called 'Tiger Man.' And, uh (applause), you heard of it? Not too many people did." Friday, August 21, 1970 MS http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/lostlovin/3.ram
His implication was that "Tiger Man" was going to be a follow-up to his Sun single debut in July 1954, but plans changed.
So that would imply that if a Sun recording of "Tiger Man" by Elvis survives, that it may be an acetate test pressing that Sam Phillips used to test the song with local DJs, just as he would later do with "My Baby's Gone". That seems entirely possible to me.
Perhaps, drjohncarpenter, all of us who love the Sun era will one day have a chance to hear a treasure like this.
This is exactly what I believe, and exactly my dream, too!
I still hope someone reading this knows more.
A LOT more.
. Dr. John Carpenter, M.D. Stop, look and listen, baby <<--->> that's my philosophy!
That people are taking seriously anything Elvis said on stage is really quite ridiculous - things were said as a joke or, on occasion, simply something to say. For example, Elvis told a reporter in 1956 that his version of My Happiness from 1953 was based on a version by The Ink Spots - and yet the group NEVER recorded the number. Elvis was about as trustworthy with accounts of his past as...well, the Colonel.
poormadpeter wrote:That people are taking seriously anything Elvis said on stage is really quite ridiculous - things were said as a joke or, on occasion, simply something to say. For example, Elvis told a reporter in 1956 that his version of My Happiness from 1953 was based on a version by The Ink Spots - and yet the group NEVER recorded the number. Elvis was about as trustworthy with accounts of his past as...well, the Colonel.
Your ridiculous contention has already been well discussed -- and dismissed -- earlier in this topic. Go back to page 1 and revisit the information you either lost or never had.
As for the interview example you allude to, 3-24-1956 in New York with Robert Carlton Brown, to be exact, you get the quote completely wrong.
What was it going to be of? What record were you going to make for her?
Oh, I made the record, in fact, we still got the record at home. It's so thin, so thin you can't play it. But, uh, the record I made was "My Happiness," and then one of the Ink Spots' numbers.
It's online, for those who care about their facts before posting forum assertions, like me.
Please derail another topic, or do as I instructed and read how your alleged "point" has been well demolished.
Thanks!
Not demolished at all. You choose to not believe something written in black and white on a page that states it is a transcript of what Elvis said to him. Not that it matters - you dismiss anything that doesn't suit your tunnel vision approach to life.
Wow! 21 pages devoted to this topic. It seems obvious that Elvis got bored of singing Mystery Train in August 1970 and chose to only sing Tiger Man. Instead of saying something long-winded and hard to understand along the lines of "my second record was Mystery Train and I'd like to do a song that sounds similar to it and that I have been singing as part of a medley with it; a song called Tiger Man" Elvis just simply called it his "second record." Also I think Elvis might have said this because he found it funny to confuse his audience and fans. In one of the audience recordings from August 1970 Elvis seems to laugh when he calls it his second record. When Elvis said "not too many people heard it" I've always thought this was him hinting to the audience that he's just lying that he recorded it and sharing his joke with them.
"A song from my recent TV show, which was pretty bad, but you know... you can't win 'em all!" - Elvis Presley (August 25 1969 DS)
"My favourite guitar player on lead guitar, say hello to James Burton. Young man on rhythm guitar; he's fair to mediocre, John Wilkinson." (February 19 1970 MS)
"My mouth feels like Bob Dylan slept in it." (February 21 1971 MS)
"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, my name is B.B. King" (August 16 1971 MS)
"Ed Sullivan looked at me and said "mmm, son of a b**ch." Nah, he's a nice... old chap." (January 27 1973 DS)
"I'm allowed on stage for 55 minutes to 1 hour. That's what they say. I say about 35 minutes!" (March 22 1975 MS)
charro1971 wrote:Wow! 21 pages devoted to this topic. It seems obvious that Elvis got bored of singing Mystery Train in August 1970 and chose to only sing Tiger Man. Instead of saying something long-winded and hard to understand along the lines of "my second record was Mystery Train and I'd like to do a song that sounds similar to it and that I have been singing as part of a medley with it; a song called Tiger Man" Elvis just simply called it his "second record." Also I think Elvis might have said this because he found it funny to confuse his audience and fans. In one of the audience recordings from August 1970 Elvis seems to laugh when he calls it his second record. When Elvis said "not too many people heard it" I've always thought this was him hinting to the audience that he's just lying that he recorded it and sharing his joke with them.
Have you read this topic? Please go to page 1 and dig in.
Thanks!
. Dr. John Carpenter, M.D. Stop, look and listen, baby <<--->> that's my philosophy!
Count me in as one of the believers too.
Imagine if you will that Elvis did not re-record "When It Rains, It Really Pours" in 1957 and the first time we heard him sing any portion of that song was when they unearthed the rehearsals for the NBC Special. The fact that the Sun version of "When It Rains..." did not resurface until 1982 and other Sun rarities continue to appear 60 years later, gives me hope that somewhere the Sun version of Tiger Man is waiting to be found.
mjsantafe wrote:Count me in as one of the believers too.
Imagine if you will that Elvis did not re-record "When It Rains, It Really Pours" in 1957 and the first time we heard him sing any portion of that song was when they unearthed the rehearsals for the NBC Special. The fact that the Sun version of "When It Rains..." did not resurface until 1982 and other Sun rarities continue to appear 60 years later, gives me hope that somewhere the Sun version of Tiger Man is waiting to be found.
That was 31 years ago - there has been a thorough search for such material since then. Ernst spent 8 years writing and researching the Boy From Tupelo book, but came up with NO evidence the song was ever recorded. The Doc himself has said that the project was the last word on the Sun years - and, if so, we have to assume that no previously-unknown studio recordings ever existed. Elvis said lots of stuff in his concerts that simply was not true - that he repeated the same thing on a number of occasions within a short space of time doesn't make it any more credible. It may well be possible that he sang it live during the Sun years, and I guess there's a chance a recording of that might turn up, but we know everything there is to know about his studio recordings - and Tiger Man is not one of them.
mjsantafe wrote:Count me in as one of the believers too.
Imagine if you will that Elvis did not re-record "When It Rains, It Really Pours" in 1957 and the first time we heard him sing any portion of that song was when they unearthed the rehearsals for the NBC Special. The fact that the Sun version of "When It Rains..." did not resurface until 1982 and other Sun rarities continue to appear 60 years later, gives me hope that somewhere the Sun version of Tiger Man is waiting to be found.
Thanks. Your analogy is a very good one, too!
. Dr. John Carpenter, M.D. Stop, look and listen, baby <<--->> that's my philosophy!
its funny because after those few times he says it in august 1970 he never says it again. and never said it before then. it could be that in august 1970 something or someone made him think that. and then maybe he realized it was not true and dropped the topic.
has anyone else who was there at sun with elvis been asked and what have they said?
A lot of great information has been brought to this topic. If there is smoke, then probably there is fire.
I believe "Tigerman" was recorded by Elvis during the Sun era.
Nowadays, Scotty and D.J. Fontana would hardly remember any details of recordings. Wonderful things pop from time to time. For example, the live version of "I Forgot To Remember To Forget". I recall reading that Scotty Moore did not remember performing so long a guitar solo during these concerts.
Renan wrote:A lot of great information has been brought to this topic. If there is smoke, then probably there is fire.
I believe "Tigerman" was recorded by Elvis during the Sun era.
Nowadays, Scotty and D.J. Fontana would hardly remember any details of recordings. Wonderful things pop from time to time. For example, the live version of "I Forgot To Remember To Forget". I recall reading that Scotty Moore did not remember performing so long a guitar solo during these concerts.
Thanks for your post. Of course, your thoughts mirror mine.
Sadly, it seems people coming to this topic now and dropping a reply cannot be bothered to actually read the entire discussion first.
. Dr. John Carpenter, M.D. Stop, look and listen, baby <<--->> that's my philosophy!
memfisking wrote:From what I am aware, even Scotty Moore doesn't remember recording it either.
There are many cases in 1971 where Elvis clearly mentions Mystery Train being his second record...be it in Feb or Aug.
Here is my latest find from Aug 16, 1971 MS where he is clearly referring to Mystery Train. In 1970 he got it wrong. In 1971 he was aware of the error and fact is that Mystery Train belonged indeed to his first recordings. So this makes sense.
Ciscoking wrote:There are many cases in 1971 where Elvis clearly mentions Mystery Train being his second record...be it in Feb or Aug.
Here is my latest find from Aug 16, 1971 MS where he is clearly referring to Mystery Train. In 1970 he got it wrong. In 1971 he was aware of the error and fact is that Mystery Train belonged indeed to his first recordings. So this makes sense.
Why? More than half a dozen recordings have Elvis saying that "Tiger Man" was his second record and that "not too many people heard it". There's no motive for you to just dismiss these statements like they're nothing.
In before the incoming repetition of the same arguments and flame wars, I'd just like to say that it is abundantly clear that there is enough evidence for the possibility that Elvis recorded "Tiger Man" at Sun Studios. There's no way one can deny this.
Mama she done told me, Papa done told me too: 'Son, that gal you're foolin' with, she ain't no good for you!'
Ciscoking wrote:There are many cases in 1971 where Elvis clearly mentions Mystery Train being his second record...be it in Feb or Aug.
Here is my latest find from Aug 16, 1971 MS where he is clearly referring to Mystery Train. In 1970 he got it wrong. In 1971 he was aware of the error and fact is that Mystery Train belonged indeed to his first recordings. So this makes sense.
Why? More than half a dozen recordings have Elvis saying that "Tiger Man" was his second record and that "not too many people heard it". There's no motive for you to just dismiss these statements like they're nothing.
In before the incoming repetition of the same arguments and flame wars, I'd just like to say that it is abundantly clear that there is enough evidence for the possibility that Elvis recorded "Tiger Man" at Sun Studios. There's no way one can deny this.
Indeed.
This member has been bugged about this topic since it was created over five years ago. The main reason I can figure is because despite being an over-the-top collector of Elvis audience tapes, he completely missed the series of highly significant statements made by the singer in the summer of 1970, all on audience-recorded concert tapes.
Why he's reviving his discredited argument on this topic, twenty months since the last post, is sad.
As noted on previous pages (go back and review, you'll find them), the later comments are ALL attached to the "Mystery Train" / "Tiger Man" medley. Notice he again fails to mention this. There are NO standalone versions of "Mystery Train" where Presley makes the statement.
In order to comprehend the significance of what Elvis says, and when and how he says it, one must not be an opaque thinker.
. Dr. John Carpenter, M.D. Stop, look and listen, baby <<--->> that's my philosophy!
Ciscoking wrote:In 1970 he got it wrong. In 1971 he was aware of the error and fact is that Mystery Train belonged indeed to his first recordings.
And yet, lest we forget that in 1972 Elvis was back with two more, matter of fact references, to Tiger Man as his second record. After singing Tiger Man (at around the 55:05 mark) he says "thank you very much, that was my second record, that I ever recorded........" And again (around the 1:54:55 mark) "that was my second record...."
Ciscoking wrote:In 1970 he got it wrong. In 1971 he was aware of the error and fact is that Mystery Train belonged indeed to his first recordings.
And yet, lest we forget that in 1972 Elvis was back with two more, matter of fact references, to Tiger Man as his second record. After singing Tiger Man (at around the 55:05 mark) he says "thank you very much, that was my second record, that I ever recorded........" And again (around the 1:54:55 mark) "that was my second record...."
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I didn't realise that. I'd be more inclined to believe what Elvis said in 1972. Those August/September 1972 shows were much less light-hearted and Elvis was in a very serious mood for most of them. In August 1970 Elvis was joking around almost the whole time and I wouldn't believe a word he says in those shows. Since Elvis called Tiger Man his "second record" in 1972 I think there is a slight possibility that he may have recorded the song at Sun.
"A song from my recent TV show, which was pretty bad, but you know... you can't win 'em all!" - Elvis Presley (August 25 1969 DS)
"My favourite guitar player on lead guitar, say hello to James Burton. Young man on rhythm guitar; he's fair to mediocre, John Wilkinson." (February 19 1970 MS)
"My mouth feels like Bob Dylan slept in it." (February 21 1971 MS)
"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, my name is B.B. King" (August 16 1971 MS)
"Ed Sullivan looked at me and said "mmm, son of a b**ch." Nah, he's a nice... old chap." (January 27 1973 DS)
"I'm allowed on stage for 55 minutes to 1 hour. That's what they say. I say about 35 minutes!" (March 22 1975 MS)
