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Personal Attacks Ignored by Mods

Post by poormadpeter2 »

One of the key parts of the guidelines that the mods try to enforce is that there should be no personal attacks.

And yet being called a hypocrite and a troll on numerous occasions, and bringing that to the attention of mods through the correct channels, results in nothing happening - no warning, no message from the mods on the topic, no removal of the offending posts.

A personal attack is a personal attack, no matter what terminology it might use.

If I called someone a pain in the arse, it would be referred to as an attack. I was suspended for two weeks a year or two back for suggesting that someone "shut up" after they had been sh*t-stirring. Now, if those things are referred to as attacks, then so are accusations of trolling and hypocrisy.

There is far more to a personal attack than calling someone an idiot, or stupid, or a bastard, or whatever words trigger the big red pen.

Accusations of trolling and hypocrisy are attacks. An attempt to undermine someone's integrity within the board or within their work outside the bubble of FECC is a personal attack, despite the fact naughty words are not used.

It is about time that this was understood, and was acted upon. There ARE trolls on this board, and we know who they are. They derail topics, they endlessly shoe-horn Felton bloody Jarvis into every conversation they possibly can in order to stir the hornet's nest and provoke those who defend Jarvis to bite back which then leads to mayhem. We even have one of them now deciding to create a "For Felton Fans Only" thread, instructing those who defend him to only talk there - despite, I might add, my frequent evidence that it is not they who bring him into the conversation. One look at the The Searcher First Thoughts thread shows just how much this had gotten out of hand.

But I will NOT stay on this board if my integrity continues to be questioned here.

It is a personal attack, it is an insult, and it is an underhand, pathetic accusation from people who should know better.

I have asked the people in question (aka: DJC) to stop - in public, on the forum. I have gone through the correct channels to get moderators to clamp down on it. I have reported it. I have included messages within the report to describe what is occurring.

Nothing is done. Absolutely sod all. Perhaps the comment is removed occasionally. That doesn't stop it happening, and no warnings are given. There is nothing to stop it happening again - either to me or to someone else.

So. Here it is in the open - make the accusations stop or I walk away. I've done it before. I'll do it again.

I am perfectly sure I can live without FECC, and I certainly will not hesitate in doing so if attacks against my work and integrity continue.
We both know that member is a hypocrite, demanding things of others that he would never do himself. He devotes a great deal of his time to causing rancor, and this will be something that never changes for him.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1657913&hilit=hypocrite#p1657913
First of all, ignore the trolling of this topic by that member. It's almost all he does, while either consciously or otherwise missing the point.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1657557&hilit=troll#p1657545
Ignore the trolling, that person isn't even addressing the point I make, just being hysterical, as usual.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1657189&hilit=troll#p1657189
Unfortunately, as you delve into page 1 and beyond, you will encounter more than a little trolling from some of the usual suspects. Please do your best to ignore their posts. If I could I would delete every single one of them, as they are a waste of everyone's time.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1659456&hilit=trolling#p1659433
In the course of the discussion, while avoiding the minefield of trolling done by a handful a selfish members
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=101107&p=1659100&hilit=trolling#p1659100
And these are just examples aimed at myself, let alone those aimed at Cisco, Juan, MikeEdwards and others.




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I know my days or hours are numbered here. It is tiring.




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Juan Luis on Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:00 pm wrote:I know my days or hours are numbered here. It is tiring.
Take a breath buddy, Don't let anyone run you or anyone else out of here..



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poormadpeter2 and Juan Luis please don't let him get to you bc that is probably exactly his goal. There are far more members here that enjoy the input you guys deliver, than that one member we almost all feel, well....in a certain way about. Please keep that in mind. With you guys leaving, you're might be pleasing one member, but you'll leave a whole bunch behind in dissapointment! Not to mention we will be the ones left behind with....well, you know.....him! :D ::rocks

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poormadpeter2 on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:16 am wrote:One of the key parts of the guidelines that the mods try to enforce is that there should be no personal attacks.

And yet being called a hypocrite and a troll on numerous occasions, and bringing that to the attention of mods through the correct channels, results in nothing happening - no warning, no message from the mods on the topic, no removal of the offending posts.

A personal attack is a personal attack, no matter what terminology it might use.

If I called someone a pain in the arse, it would be referred to as an attack. I was suspended for two weeks a year or two back for suggesting that someone "shut up" after they had been sh*t-stirring. Now, if those things are referred to as attacks, then so are accusations of trolling and hypocrisy.

There is far more to a personal attack than calling someone an idiot, or stupid, or a bastard, or whatever words trigger the big red pen.

Accusations of trolling and hypocrisy are attacks. An attempt to undermine someone's integrity within the board or within their work outside the bubble of FECC is a personal attack, despite the fact naughty words are not used.

It is about time that this was understood, and was acted upon. There ARE trolls on this board, and we know who they are. They derail topics, they endlessly shoe-horn Felton bloody Jarvis into every conversation they possibly can in order to stir the hornet's nest and provoke those who defend Jarvis to bite back which then leads to mayhem. We even have one of them now deciding to create a "For Felton Fans Only" thread, instructing those who defend him to only talk there - despite, I might add, my frequent evidence that it is not they who bring him into the conversation. One look at the The Searcher First Thoughts thread shows just how much this had gotten out of hand.

But I will NOT stay on this board if my integrity continues to be questioned here.

It is a personal attack, it is an insult, and it is an underhand, pathetic accusation from people who should know better.

I have asked the people in question (aka: DJC) to stop - in public, on the forum. I have gone through the correct channels to get moderators to clamp down on it. I have reported it. I have included messages within the report to describe what is occurring.

Nothing is done. Absolutely sod all. Perhaps the comment is removed occasionally. That doesn't stop it happening, and no warnings are given. There is nothing to stop it happening again - either to me or to someone else.

So. Here it is in the open - make the accusations stop or I walk away. I've done it before. I'll do it again.

I am perfectly sure I can live without FECC, and I certainly will not hesitate in doing so if attacks against my work and integrity continue.
We both know that member is a hypocrite, demanding things of others that he would never do himself. He devotes a great deal of his time to causing rancor, and this will be something that never changes for him.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1657913&hilit=hypocrite#p1657913
First of all, ignore the trolling of this topic by that member. It's almost all he does, while either consciously or otherwise missing the point.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1657557&hilit=troll#p1657545
Ignore the trolling, that person isn't even addressing the point I make, just being hysterical, as usual.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1657189&hilit=troll#p1657189
Unfortunately, as you delve into page 1 and beyond, you will encounter more than a little trolling from some of the usual suspects. Please do your best to ignore their posts. If I could I would delete every single one of them, as they are a waste of everyone's time.
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55284&p=1659456&hilit=trolling#p1659433
In the course of the discussion, while avoiding the minefield of trolling done by a handful a selfish members
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=101107&p=1659100&hilit=trolling#p1659100
And these are just examples aimed at myself, let alone those aimed at Cisco, Juan, MikeEdwards and others.

It´s unbelievable that these members you have quoted are allowed to continue with their rude comments. I was hoping things would change after the announcement by the "new" moderator...seems not.



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Juan Luis on Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:00 am wrote:I know my days or hours are numbered here. It is tiring.
Hey! You're going nowhere, Mister. With the 'All Elvis' section currently resembling a parking lot for 'stickys' and 'Searchers', we need you more than ever.


poormadpeter2 wrote:And these are just examples aimed at myself, let alone those aimed at Cisco, Juan, MikeEdwards and others.
That's true. I am persecuted here by my inferiors.

I console myself with the knowledge that if Jesus came back tomorrow, the same thing would happen to him.

I'm not saying that I am Jesus, but if I was Jesus, this is the kind of place I'd come.

Here, to be with the lonely, the disenfranchised, the wretched and the weak.


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Hello poormadpeter and everyone else, I understand the frustrations, and I will look at them, deal with them.
However let me point out to all of you that this hasn't been the easiest week, as i'm also currently sick.. And i'm on my own for the moment (The other moderator is having a well deserved vacation, and I hope he has fun), but that means that I have to deal with every single report, every single PM and every single complaint on this forum..

I have read this topic and will act upon them today / tomorrow. But give me a bit of time. I haven't received any PM's, I haven't reseived any reports (or they have been dealt with by a administrator, which in that case, I wouldn't see any reports).

Personal attacks are never okay.. Just keep the peace.. and i'll see what I can do.
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Ignore them,and their silly attacks.they are not big and they have shown time and time again they are not clever.

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mike edwards66 on Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:29 am wrote:
Juan Luis on Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:00 am wrote:I know my days or hours are numbered here. It is tiring.
Hey! You're going nowhere, Mister. With the 'All Elvis' section currently resembling a parking lot for 'stickys' and 'Searchers', we need you more than ever.


poormadpeter2 wrote:And these are just examples aimed at myself, let alone those aimed at Cisco, Juan, MikeEdwards and others.
That's true. I am persecuted here by my inferiors.

I console myself with the knowledge that if Jesus came back tomorrow, the same thing would happen to him.

I'm not saying that I am Jesus, but if I was Jesus, this is the kind of place I'd come.

Here, to be with the lonely, the disenfranchised, the wretched and the weak.
....and the English Mike,don't forget the English :wink:



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I have been called a troll many times over the years here, and probably a hypocrite as well. That never seemed to me as a personal attack and never bothered me or, or changed my thinking, so I moved on. Now call me a bastard when you dont even know me, and I'll be pissed!!



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I don't read all the topics on the forum, but of the topics I have read, the regularity with which one particular member seems to accuse others of being a troll or of trolling, tells them not to post in HIS topics and tells others to 'ignore the troll' when someone posts a question or opinion he disagrees with is rude, unpleasant and unacceptable.

And since when does starting a topic give a member ownership of that topic. It's a discussion forum after all.




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goldbelt on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:30 pm wrote:I don't read all the topics on the forum, but of the topics I have read, the regularity with which one particular member seems to accuse others of being a troll or of trolling, tells them not to post in HIS topics and tells others to 'ignore the troll' when someone posts a question or opinion he disagrees with is rude, unpleasant and unacceptable.

And since when does starting a topic give a member ownership of that topic. It's a discussion forum after all.
It wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else. The shenanigans that's permitted on this forum is the talk of the entire online Elvis world and has been for years. Away from the official site, this forum should really be the central point for all things Presley. Unfortuntely, hundreds, if not thousands, have either left or are deterred from getting involved here due to the historic and ongoing issues. Personally, I feel that it is seriously hurting Presley's legacy as here should be where publicity, discussion, etc for new events kicks off before filtering on to the general public.

Recently, for a week or two, it was very noticable that there was a greatly improved atmosphere here, and numerous members remarked upon this at the time. Unfortunately, the situation this week is probably worse than ever and the toxicity has gone thru the roof. We can draw our own conclusions as to why, but it's not too hard to figure.




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Hard Rocker on Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:06 pm wrote:
Recently, for a week or two, it was very noticable that there was a greatly improved atmosphere here, and numerous members remarked upon this at the time. Unfortunately, the situation this week is probably worse than ever and the toxicity has gone thru the roof. We can draw our own conclusions as to why, but it's not too hard to figure.
exactly. Food for fought :wink:


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FECC-Moderator on Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:53 pm wrote:Hello poormadpeter and everyone else, I understand the frustrations, and I will look at them, deal with them.
However let me point out to all of you that this hasn't been the easiest week, as i'm also currently sick.. And i'm on my own for the moment (The other moderator is having a well deserved vacation, and I hope he has fun), but that means that I have to deal with every single report, every single PM and every single complaint on this forum..

I have read this topic and will act upon them today / tomorrow. But give me a bit of time. I haven't received any PM's, I haven't reseived any reports (or they have been dealt with by a administrator, which in that case, I wouldn't see any reports).

Personal attacks are never okay.. Just keep the peace.. and i'll see what I can do.
::rocks
Those are acceptable reasons...hope you get well soon.



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Is the only other big Elvis forum the "Elvis Phoenix forum" (not sure about it's official name)?


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Scarre on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:11 pm wrote:
FECC-Moderator on Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:53 pm wrote:Hello poormadpeter and everyone else, I understand the frustrations, and I will look at them, deal with them.
However let me point out to all of you that this hasn't been the easiest week, as i'm also currently sick.. And i'm on my own for the moment (The other moderator is having a well deserved vacation, and I hope he has fun), but that means that I have to deal with every single report, every single PM and every single complaint on this forum..

I have read this topic and will act upon them today / tomorrow. But give me a bit of time. I haven't received any PM's, I haven't reseived any reports (or they have been dealt with by a administrator, which in that case, I wouldn't see any reports).

Personal attacks are never okay.. Just keep the peace.. and i'll see what I can do.
::rocks
Those are acceptable reasons...hope you get well soon.
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Juan Luis on Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:56 pm wrote:
Scarre on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:11 pm wrote:
FECC-Moderator on Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:53 pm wrote:Hello poormadpeter and everyone else, I understand the frustrations, and I will look at them, deal with them.
However let me point out to all of you that this hasn't been the easiest week, as i'm also currently sick.. And i'm on my own for the moment (The other moderator is having a well deserved vacation, and I hope he has fun), but that means that I have to deal with every single report, every single PM and every single complaint on this forum..

I have read this topic and will act upon them today / tomorrow. But give me a bit of time. I haven't received any PM's, I haven't reseived any reports (or they have been dealt with by a administrator, which in that case, I wouldn't see any reports).

Personal attacks are never okay.. Just keep the peace.. and i'll see what I can do.
::rocks
Those are acceptable reasons...hope you get well soon.
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Well, you know what they say about trolls... Even trolls love rock 'n roll (Tony Joe White).

It's a pity. This forum has a lot to offer. But sometimes you have to wade through loads of bs. I have never understood and will never understand why some folks clearly lack the social skills to listen to and appreciate other points of view, to engage in a discussion in a civil manner. Oh well, even trolls love rock 'n roll ;-)

-- Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:04 am --
r&b on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:32 pm wrote:I have been called a troll many times over the years here, and probably a hypocrite as well. That never seemed to me as a personal attack and never bothered me or, or changed my thinking, so I moved on. Now call me a bastard when you dont even know me, and I'll be pissed!!
That's a bit weird; you don't mind being called a hypocrite, but you do mind being called a bastard.




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Mr. Black on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:57 pm wrote:Well, you know what they say about trolls... Even trolls love rock 'n roll (Tony Joe White).

It's a pity. This forum has a lot to offer. But sometimes you have to wade through loads of bs. I have never understood and will never understand why some folks clearly lack the social skills to listen to and appreciate other points of view, to engage in a discussion in a civil manner. Oh well, even trolls love rock 'n roll ;-)

-- Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:04 am --
r&b on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:32 pm wrote:I have been called a troll many times over the years here, and probably a hypocrite as well. That never seemed to me as a personal attack and never bothered me or, or changed my thinking, so I moved on. Now call me a bastard when you dont even know me, and I'll be pissed!!
That's a bit weird; you don't mind being called a hypocrite, but you do mind being called a bastard.
I'd rather be called a bastard.




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Scarre on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:11 pm wrote:
FECC-Moderator on Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:53 pm wrote:Hello poormadpeter and everyone else, I understand the frustrations, and I will look at them, deal with them.
However let me point out to all of you that this hasn't been the easiest week, as i'm also currently sick.. And i'm on my own for the moment (The other moderator is having a well deserved vacation, and I hope he has fun), but that means that I have to deal with every single report, every single PM and every single complaint on this forum..

I have read this topic and will act upon them today / tomorrow. But give me a bit of time. I haven't received any PM's, I haven't reseived any reports (or they have been dealt with by a administrator, which in that case, I wouldn't see any reports).

Personal attacks are never okay.. Just keep the peace.. and i'll see what I can do.
::rocks
Those are acceptable reasons...hope you get well soon.
Ditto that..




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poormadpeter2 on Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:21 am wrote:
Mr. Black on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:57 pm wrote:Well, you know what they say about trolls... Even trolls love rock 'n roll (Tony Joe White).

It's a pity. This forum has a lot to offer. But sometimes you have to wade through loads of bs. I have never understood and will never understand why some folks clearly lack the social skills to listen to and appreciate other points of view, to engage in a discussion in a civil manner. Oh well, even trolls love rock 'n roll ;-)

-- Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:04 am --
r&b on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:32 pm wrote:I have been called a troll many times over the years here, and probably a hypocrite as well. That never seemed to me as a personal attack and never bothered me or, or changed my thinking, so I moved on. Now call me a bastard when you dont even know me, and I'll be pissed!!
That's a bit weird; you don't mind being called a hypocrite, but you do mind being called a bastard.
I'd rather be called a bastard.
As you wish, bastard! ;-)

No harm intended. Just a silly joke. Just call me an a**hole ;-)



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Mr. Black on Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:31 pm wrote:
poormadpeter2 on Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:21 am wrote:
Mr. Black on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:57 pm wrote:Well, you know what they say about trolls... Even trolls love rock 'n roll (Tony Joe White).

It's a pity. This forum has a lot to offer. But sometimes you have to wade through loads of bs. I have never understood and will never understand why some folks clearly lack the social skills to listen to and appreciate other points of view, to engage in a discussion in a civil manner. Oh well, even trolls love rock 'n roll ;-)

-- Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:04 am --
r&b on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:32 pm wrote:I have been called a troll many times over the years here, and probably a hypocrite as well. That never seemed to me as a personal attack and never bothered me or, or changed my thinking, so I moved on. Now call me a bastard when you dont even know me, and I'll be pissed!!
That's a bit weird; you don't mind being called a hypocrite, but you do mind being called a bastard.
I'd rather be called a bastard.
As you wish, bastard! ;-)

No harm intended. Just a silly joke. Just call me an a**hole ;-)
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norrie on Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:50 pm wrote:
mike edwards66 on Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:29 am wrote:
Juan Luis on Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:00 am wrote:I know my days or hours are numbered here. It is tiring.
Hey! You're going nowhere, Mister. With the 'All Elvis' section currently resembling a parking lot for 'stickys' and 'Searchers', we need you more than ever.


poormadpeter2 wrote:And these are just examples aimed at myself, let alone those aimed at Cisco, Juan, MikeEdwards and others.
That's true. I am persecuted here by my inferiors.

I console myself with the knowledge that if Jesus came back tomorrow, the same thing would happen to him.

I'm not saying that I am Jesus, but if I was Jesus, this is the kind of place I'd come.

Here, to be with the lonely, the disenfranchised, the wretched and the weak.
....and the English Mike,don't forget the English :wink:
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elvisjock on Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:19 am wrote:
Mr. Black on Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:31 pm wrote:
poormadpeter2 on Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:21 am wrote:
Mr. Black on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:57 pm wrote:Well, you know what they say about trolls... Even trolls love rock 'n roll (Tony Joe White).

It's a pity. This forum has a lot to offer. But sometimes you have to wade through loads of bs. I have never understood and will never understand why some folks clearly lack the social skills to listen to and appreciate other points of view, to engage in a discussion in a civil manner. Oh well, even trolls love rock 'n roll ;-)

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r&b on Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:32 pm wrote:I have been called a troll many times over the years here, and probably a hypocrite as well. That never seemed to me as a personal attack and never bothered me or, or changed my thinking, so I moved on. Now call me a bastard when you dont even know me, and I'll be pissed!!
That's a bit weird; you don't mind being called a hypocrite, but you do mind being called a bastard.
I'd rather be called a bastard.
As you wish, bastard! ;-)

No harm intended. Just a silly joke. Just call me an a**hole ;-)
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"I'd rather be a bastard than an a**hole," sung to the tune of "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail."
I'd rather have a memory then a dream..
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if you'll try a little kindness and you'll overlook the blindness
Of the narrow minded people on the narrow minded streets