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Rich_TCB wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:39 pm
And here's the CD box set -->

https://store.graceland.com/collections/elvis-back-in-nashville/products/elvis-back-in-nashville-4-cd-box-set

What turned out to be Elvis Presley’s final Nashville session brought music that was originally overlooked. The original recordings found their way on the holiday themed Elvis Sings the Wonderful World of Christmas (1971), the gospel He Touched Me (1972), Elvis Now (1972) and Elvis (1973). Yet, to hear this music, a half century after it was recorded – now wiped of overdubs – reveals some of the most compelling singing of Presley’s career. There may not be a better set of tracks in his catalog that benefits more from un-dubbing the masters. No longer weighted down, Elvis shines. Available on 4 CD’s.

Add this exciting set to your collection today!




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Actually, the removal of the overdubbed backing vocals on the Christmas tracks reveals some very sub-par singing on Elvis' part.

And, how about that slur on "If I Get Home On Christmas Day?"

"The way I feel deepinn this heart o'mine."


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DEH wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:11 pm
Elvis was not a "album artist". He didn't think of albums that way. He didn't look at albums the way Led Zeppelin or Jimi Hendrix did. He didn't pose for album covers after the movie years. Not his thing.
To me, that’s just a cop out and the usual defence mechanism kicking in. He was obligated by contract to deliver x number of albums per year - he made two brilliant albums in the early 60s (Elvis is Back & Something for Everybody) and finished that decade off with probably an even better album From Elvis in Memphis. You could add Back in Memphis too.

It is irrelevant whether he wasn’t an album artist in the truest sense - he knew what made good music and when it was needed like when the income stream started to drop off in 1968, and he went to American and produced the goods. And although the Nashville 70’s recordings possibly did not have the edge to the ‘69 recordings, (subjective of course) there was still some stellar material in there. But once 1970 had gone, he had started to lose interest, resulting in poor albums like Now and Fool. He didn’t record enough material so RCA were forced to cull together albums from whatever material was sitting on the shelves. Only Elvis with his lack of interest could approve an album entitled Now released at the start of ‘72 yet which included tracks from two and three years earlier. And one of those would have probably remained on the shelf forever had RCA not been desperate.

You don’t have to be an album artist to know what is going to make a reasonably decent album - you do however have to take an interest in what the record company is putting out or take a real interest in what you are recording so that the record company has got decent stuff to put out in the first place.

Basically, by 1971, Elvis got into another rut and became lazy like he did with Hollywood and the films, but this time, it was with the non stop touring. The only difference was that unlike the Hollywood years where income started to drop off through lack of record sales and bums on seats in the cinema, which drove him to make better records again, and start touring, in the 70’s he was just happy to go out on non stop tours where there was a guaranteed income, so making decent records was not uppermost or important in his mind. Perhaps had the stadiums been half empty, it may have encouraged him to look at making decent music again and releasing great albums. After all, he had proved that at certain times during his career, he could make and release a few great albums as mentioned above.


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elvisjock wrote:
Rich_TCB wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:39 pm
And here's the CD box set -->

https://store.graceland.com/collections/elvis-back-in-nashville/products/elvis-back-in-nashville-4-cd-box-set

What turned out to be Elvis Presley’s final Nashville session brought music that was originally overlooked. The original recordings found their way on the holiday themed Elvis Sings the Wonderful World of Christmas (1971), the gospel He Touched Me (1972), Elvis Now (1972) and Elvis (1973). Yet, to hear this music, a half century after it was recorded – now wiped of overdubs – reveals some of the most compelling singing of Presley’s career. There may not be a better set of tracks in his catalog that benefits more from un-dubbing the masters. No longer weighted down, Elvis shines. Available on 4 CD’s.

Add this exciting set to your collection today!




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ELVISBACKINNASHVILLECDSETTRACKLISTINGcopy_1200x.jpg
Actually, the removal of the overdubbed backing vocals on the Christmas tracks reveals some very sub-par singing on Elvis' part.

And, how about that slur on "If I Get Home On Christmas Day?"

"The way I feel deepinn this heart o'mine."
You won't be buying it then ?

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Rich_TCB wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:39 pm
And here's the CD box set -->

https://store.graceland.com/collections/elvis-back-in-nashville/products/elvis-back-in-nashville-4-cd-box-set

What turned out to be Elvis Presley’s final Nashville session brought music that was originally overlooked. The original recordings found their way on the holiday themed Elvis Sings the Wonderful World of Christmas (1971), the gospel He Touched Me (1972), Elvis Now (1972) and Elvis (1973). Yet, to hear this music, a half century after it was recorded – now wiped of overdubs – reveals some of the most compelling singing of Presley’s career. There may not be a better set of tracks in his catalog that benefits more from un-dubbing the masters. No longer weighted down, Elvis shines. Available on 4 CD’s.

Add this exciting set to your collection today!

Crikey, it didn’t take them long to forget about last year’s Nashville release. Certainly some slightly exaggerated adjectives used in much of that above narrative.


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i don't think its fair to say he didn't care.
i don't think thats true at all.
if anything he cared too much.
he wouldn't labor away at these songs...giving direction...which he did thru out his career...if he didn't care about his art.
he cared.
but look at the lack of quality he was given and its no wonder he may have been disinterested at times.
but thats different than not caring.
he did the best with what they gave him.
its amazing to me how great his vocals are on a song like rosary.
and thats my point.
he cared.
cared so much that he would rise to the level with material that honestly didnt deserve it.

as for my fantasy song line-up for now...its not about what rca WOULD'VE DONE.
as long as it sold,they didnt care.
my point was...its what they SHOULD'VE DONE.
but you can't change history so i'll enjoy what we have.
and for me....despite the should'a/would'a..
which is fun to discuss...there's enough meat left on the bone to enjoy.
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Ordered from Amazon.de today, price including shipping approx € 45. Not bad, not bad at all 🤩👑🎶🇺🇸


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DEH wrote:
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Elvis was not a "album artist". He didn't think of albums that way. He didn't look at albums the way Led Zeppelin or Jimi Hendrix did. He didn't pose for album covers after the movie years. Not his thing.
True. Sad but true. With a different record producer or manager things could have been different, as Elvis handled each song as just a song - another job done.


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elvisjock wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:04 pm
And, how about that slur on "If I Get Home On Christmas Day?"

"The way I feel deepinn this heart o'mine."
Always hated that slur... Sloppy!


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drghanem wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:41 pm
Ordered from Amazon.de today, price including shipping approx € 45. Not bad, not bad at all 🤩👑🎶🇺🇸
How did you manage that? Says "Not available" now :cry:


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emjel wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:01 am
Once again, RCA would not release a 13 track album without getting hit with additional costs. And you’ve cut into a couple of Camden albums too which were far more successful than Elvis’ regular studio albums. We know in hindsight what would have made better albums, although I have never been convinced that a studio album mixed with "live" tracks works very well, but the "live" songs you now want to add on to the Fool album would not have been a consideration for RCA as those songs had already been on either MSG and Aloha or both.

Bottom line here is that as much as you want to re-hash Elvis albums to make them appear better, had Elvis knuckled down and recorded more and better songs in the studio during this time, we would have had better albums instead of the hotch potch releases we got via Now and Fool.



From his officially-released studio work, these 1971 tracks need no apology:



1971

Early Morning Rain
(That's What You Get) For Lovin' Me
If I Get Home on Christmas Day
Holly Leaves and Christmas Trees
Merry Christmas, Baby
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
It's Still Here
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
I Will Be True
I'm Leavin'
I Shall Be Released
I John
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The Swamp Fox wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:33 pm
You know what they say about a-holes and opinions….


Yes, your unsolicited scolding immediately brought that to mind.

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Buddy wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:47 pm
Good sound, but if you listen since about 45 years to his (overdubbed) masters as released on the records, you automatically "miss something" while listening to his undubbed outtakes. You really "hear" or at least recognize that Elvis AND the band left space during the recording for the overdubs, so the outtakes sound naked, not ready at all to release....
When I listen to the undubbed masters, I don't miss anything at all, but rather I hear things in the instrumentation and vocals that were previously buried by the overdubs. I enjoy hearing how it sounded when Elvis was in the studio making the music.



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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 pm
emjel wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:01 am
Once again, RCA would not release a 13 track album without getting hit with additional costs. And you’ve cut into a couple of Camden albums too which were far more successful than Elvis’ regular studio albums. We know in hindsight what would have made better albums, although I have never been convinced that a studio album mixed with "live" tracks works very well, but the "live" songs you now want to add on to the Fool album would not have been a consideration for RCA as those songs had already been on either MSG and Aloha or both.

Bottom line here is that as much as you want to re-hash Elvis albums to make them appear better, had Elvis knuckled down and recorded more and better songs in the studio during this time, we would have had better albums instead of the hotch potch releases we got via Now and Fool.



From his officially-released studio work, these 1971 tracks need no apology:



1971

Early Morning Rain
(That's What You Get) For Lovin' Me
If I Get Home on Christmas Day
Holly Leaves and Christmas Trees
Merry Christmas, Baby
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
It's Still Here
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
I Will Be True
I'm Leavin'
I Shall Be Released
I John
Bosom of Abraham
agreed.
they have stood tall...all these years later.


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eric c wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:51 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 pm
emjel wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:01 am
Once again, RCA would not release a 13 track album without getting hit with additional costs. And you’ve cut into a couple of Camden albums too which were far more successful than Elvis’ regular studio albums. We know in hindsight what would have made better albums, although I have never been convinced that a studio album mixed with "live" tracks works very well, but the "live" songs you now want to add on to the Fool album would not have been a consideration for RCA as those songs had already been on either MSG and Aloha or both.

Bottom line here is that as much as you want to re-hash Elvis albums to make them appear better, had Elvis knuckled down and recorded more and better songs in the studio during this time, we would have had better albums instead of the hotch potch releases we got via Now and Fool.



From his officially-released studio work, these 1971 tracks need no apology:



1971

Early Morning Rain
(That's What You Get) For Lovin' Me
If I Get Home on Christmas Day
Holly Leaves and Christmas Trees
Merry Christmas, Baby
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
It's Still Here
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
I Will Be True
I'm Leavin'
I Shall Be Released
I John
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agreed.
they have stood tall...all these years later.
Yes --> and you could add another 13 to it too ... 8) :smt023


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Rich_TCB wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:39 pm
And here's the CD box set -->

https://store.graceland.com/collections/elvis-back-in-nashville/products/elvis-back-in-nashville-4-cd-box-set

What turned out to be Elvis Presley’s final Nashville session brought music that was originally overlooked. The original recordings found their way on the holiday themed Elvis Sings the Wonderful World of Christmas (1971), the gospel He Touched Me (1972), Elvis Now (1972) and Elvis (1973). Yet, to hear this music, a half century after it was recorded – now wiped of overdubs – reveals some of the most compelling singing of Presley’s career. There may not be a better set of tracks in his catalog that benefits more from un-dubbing the masters. No longer weighted down, Elvis shines. Available on 4 CD’s.

Add this exciting set to your collection today!




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Looking at it in black and white, it's clear THE POP SIDES were the greatest failure. RCA's Felton Jarvis and management's publishers helped sink the ship Chips Moman launched with the release of "In The Ghetto" two years before. Notice, too, the near-absence of r&b material. A shame.

Also, your thoughts about an unedited, undubbed "Merry Christmas, Baby" seems to be someone pining for just a few more official seconds of tape.

The unedited, undubbed master was released by Venus on Nashville 1970 Revisited eight years ago.

https://www.elvisinnorway.no/uneditedmasters70rev.html

IIRC, back then you said you ordered a copy ...


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a mess of polk salad wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:02 am
eric c wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:51 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 pm
From his officially-released studio work, these 1971 tracks need no apology:



1971

Early Morning Rain
(That's What You Get) For Lovin' Me
If I Get Home on Christmas Day
Holly Leaves and Christmas Trees
Merry Christmas, Baby
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
It's Still Here
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
I Will Be True
I'm Leavin'
I Shall Be Released
I John
Bosom of Abraham


agreed.
they have stood tall...all these years later.


Yes --> and you could add another 13 to it too ... 8) :smt023


"Stood tall"?

Maybe some of them. This isn't Memphis 1969.


"Add another 13"?

No, I cannot conjure up thirteen separate apologies.


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elvisalisellers wrote:
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You didn't look at page 1 of this topic.




drjohncarpenter wrote:
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https://www.facebook.com/events/529338055023134/

facebook link to the unboxing event of the new Elvis Back In Nashville 4 cd box set.



And here we go ... the best-ever sounding versions of "Padre."



The YouTube video link for the "live unboxing" (Scheduled for Aug 12, 2021 @ 2pm) -->










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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 am
Also, your thoughts about an unedited, undubbed "Merry Christmas, Baby" seems to be someone pining for just a few more official seconds of tape.

The unedited, undubbed master was released by Venus on Nashville 1970 Revisited eight years ago.

https://www.elvisinnorway.no/uneditedmasters70rev.html

IIRC, back then you said you ordered a copy ...

No, not for a few more seconds of audio. Yes, I did get that Venus release. And it does sound good on there. In this case, having someone like Matt handling the audio, it will hopefully sound fantastic and be the final official word on this unedited/undubbed master.

And after watching the unboxing presentation, it was interesting to learn that the master was recorded on two different reels of tape, since it ran over 8 minutes, and the two tapes were edited together to create the master. They luckily had a safety reel ready to go, to capture the complete performance.


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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:09 am
a mess of polk salad wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:02 am
eric c wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:51 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 pm
From his officially-released studio work, these 1971 tracks need no apology:



1971

Early Morning Rain
(That's What You Get) For Lovin' Me
If I Get Home on Christmas Day
Holly Leaves and Christmas Trees
Merry Christmas, Baby
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
It's Still Here
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
I Will Be True
I'm Leavin'
I Shall Be Released
I John
Bosom of Abraham


agreed.
they have stood tall...all these years later.


Yes --> and you could add another 13 to it too ... 8) :smt023


"Stood tall"?

Maybe some of them. This isn't Memphis 1969.


"Add another 13"?

No, I cannot conjure up thirteen separate apologies.
no they're not.
i wasn't talkin' in a session vs session or song vs song sense.
over his entire career....cherry picking his best...they rank among them.
especially the gospel tracks.
i'm leavin' is just a damn good song.
but i wouldn't wanna exist in a world that doesn't know his I,John.


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MrMisery wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:42 am
Greystoke wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:30 am
elvisalisellers wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:11 am
It was short, but pretty sweet. It's certainly a nice-looking set, familiarity appreciated. And with a decent amount of viewers and the exclusive vinyl edition, early marketing for what is an appealing set is reaching some of the right places.
My avatar picture on page 23(?)! That's a sign! Now I really have to buy it :mrgreen:
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eric c wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:51 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 pm
emjel wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:01 am
Once again, RCA would not release a 13 track album without getting hit with additional costs. And you’ve cut into a couple of Camden albums too which were far more successful than Elvis’ regular studio albums. We know in hindsight what would have made better albums, although I have never been convinced that a studio album mixed with "live" tracks works very well, but the "live" songs you now want to add on to the Fool album would not have been a consideration for RCA as those songs had already been on either MSG and Aloha or both.

Bottom line here is that as much as you want to re-hash Elvis albums to make them appear better, had Elvis knuckled down and recorded more and better songs in the studio during this time, we would have had better albums instead of the hotch potch releases we got via Now and Fool.



From his officially-released studio work, these 1971 tracks need no apology:



1971

Early Morning Rain
(That's What You Get) For Lovin' Me
If I Get Home on Christmas Day
Holly Leaves and Christmas Trees
Merry Christmas, Baby
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
It's Still Here
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
I Will Be True
I'm Leavin'
I Shall Be Released
I John
Bosom of Abraham
agreed.
they have stood tall...all these years later.
Some of those tracks are certainly great recordings, but "they have all stood tall….all these years later". In whose minds and memories? Suspicious Minds and In The Ghetto and perhaps a few others from the early 70s such as Burning Love and Always on My Mind have stood tall all these years later, but those on your list mean virtually nothing to those outside of the fanbase. Worldwide streams on Spotify for the He Touched Me album has equivalent album sales of 15k, Elvis Now has 10k, whilst the Fool album is around 4K. Compare that to From Elvis in Memphis which has 107k and In The Ghetto is responsible for 90k of that number.


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