emjel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:14 am
eric c wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:26 am
emjel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:02 am
eric c wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:51 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:28 pm
emjel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:01 am
Once again, RCA would not release a 13 track album without getting hit with additional costs. And you’ve cut into a couple of Camden albums too which were far more successful than Elvis’ regular studio albums. We know in hindsight what would have made better albums, although I have never been convinced that a studio album mixed with "live" tracks works very well, but the "live" songs you now want to add on to the Fool album would not have been a consideration for RCA as those songs had already been on either MSG and Aloha or both.
Bottom line here is that as much as you want to re-hash Elvis albums to make them appear better, had Elvis knuckled down and recorded more and better songs in the studio during this time, we would have had better albums instead of the hotch potch releases we got via Now and Fool.
From his officially-released studio work, these 1971 tracks need no apology:
1971
Early Morning Rain
(That's What You Get) For Lovin' Me
If I Get Home on Christmas Day
Holly Leaves and Christmas Trees
Merry Christmas, Baby
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
It's Still Here
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
I Will Be True
I'm Leavin'
I Shall Be Released
I John
Bosom of Abraham
agreed.
they have stood tall...all these years later.
Some of those tracks are certainly great recordings, but "they have all stood tall….all these years later". In whose minds and memories? Suspicious Minds and In The Ghetto and perhaps a few others from the early 70s such as Burning Love and Always on My Mind have stood tall all these years later, but those on your list mean virtually nothing to those outside of the fanbase. Worldwide streams on Spotify for the He Touched Me album has equivalent album sales of 15k, Elvis Now has 10k, whilst the Fool album is around 4K. Compare that to From Elvis in Memphis which has 107k and In The Ghetto is responsible for 90k of that number.
i didn't compile that list.
dr john did.
its a difference of opinion.
in MY OPINION...you can not compile a list of his greatest recordings and leave off i'm leavin'....or any of the gospel tracks.
if you do...the story isn't complete.
the artist of the century box included i'm leavin for a reason.
its damn good.
personally,i don't care how many its sold.
thats not how i judge a great Elvis album.
its about feel.
and he touched me is a great record.
by saying its great...im not saying its better than from elvis in memphis or elvis is back.
its not.
but it is a great record.
and has stood the test of time.
but you knew all that.
I know you didn’t compile the list, but all Dr John said or implied was they were good or great recordings depending on his personal judgement. It was you who wrote that they have all stood tall all these years later. The Doc even challenged your wording "stood tall" and made reference to Memphis ‘69.
We will have to agree to differ on wording such as a record or album having stood the test of time because my interpretation of that kind of thing goes a bit more beyond the personal "liking" of an album within the Elvis fanbase. I mean I like many of the Elvis soundtrack albums and some are great to me for what they are - but I would never state they are great albums in the truest sense and then try and justify it by claiming they have stood tall in the test of time. An album like Fleetwood Macs "Rumours" to me is a great album and one recognised as a great album by millions of others too and has certainly stood the test of time as it is still in the Billboard 200 chart for its 434th week. Thriller is another, although I do not like it personally, but I recognise that millions do think it is great and it too has stood the test of time as it is currently in the Billboard 200 having been in the chart for nearly 500 weeks.
i don't see how anyone can tell me he touched me...recorded 50yrs ago...hasn't stood tall as one of his very best.
his level of committment to gospel is unquestioned.
we would never get as close to the real Elvis as we would spinning the music that he cared deeply about.
if you are ranking his absolute best work...top 10 or top 20...his 3 gospel albums are in the discussion.
they may or may not make the final cut.
but they are on the table.
(how great thou art,frankly easily makes the top 10 and is one of his absolute best.)
as for the songs dr john listed.
i stand by what i said.
they have stood tall....50yrs strong..
as great songs in the vast,deep Elvis catalog.
and regardless of ranking order...i'm leavin,i john,bosom of abraham are GREAT ELVIS SONGS.
there is a level of depth and feel and committment that shines thru Elvis' vocals that simply can not be ignored.
and if your telling Elvis' musical story...it is not complete if you dont spend time with these gems recorded in 1971.
the story is incomplete...and that world that knows nothing of i'm leavin or bosom of abraham is a dark ugly place i do not ever want to visit.