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The problem with that is that at the moment, you’ll still get some fans who will somewhat reluctantly buy the big expensive set so FTD will still get the sale of the books, which is the most expensive part of the release. . However if those fans know that FTD will later re-issue the audio, those fans will simply hold off resulting in less books being sold.
With such a limited market, and one that becomes fragmented, it would be difficult for FTD to risk losing sales of the books, and to minimise that, they might simply increase the prices further. This is the problem with a specialist collectors label that has a very small market and is one of the reasons why Sony do not offer a few variants of each mainstream release as it would be difficult for them to recover the individual costs for each variant.
...not sure I quite buy into this theory because you have to keep in mind that we are not talking a huge amount of books being produced here?...probably no more than the latest LP (3500) if that?? so release the audio 12-18 months later. When FTD release these books they should not advertise at the same time "but the audio is coming soon on a separate release"...it`s all about timing here.
Can you imagine how some would react to that. Those fans who reluctantly made the purchase are not exactly going to be very happy when a year later, FTD suddenly reveal they are going to release the audio separately. It’s not a good business decision because once they do that, then for the next release, those fans will never invest in the expensive product again - they’ll just wait in anticipation….. This will cause FTD a problem because once they realise sales will be smaller, they will have to increase the unit price to cover the fixed costs.
Regarding the low print run on the books, this is the problem with such a small market and I really doubt FTD would print up that number of copies you mention because it would not be viable to have money tied up for a long time. FTD will have invested a lot of money in getting these to market and they will want a return sooner rather than later - they cannot afford to have even a small number of say 500 sitting around on their shelves and will likely order the print runs based on pre-orders plus a small percentage. Likewise, dealers are not going to have the cash to buy into ordering lots of copies in the hope they will sell, so will likewise place orders based on pre-orders plus a small percentage for the latecomers.
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The problem with that is that at the moment, you’ll still get some fans who will somewhat reluctantly buy the big expensive set so FTD will still get the sale of the books, which is the most expensive part of the release. . However if those fans know that FTD will later re-issue the audio, those fans will simply hold off resulting in less books being sold.
With such a limited market, and one that becomes fragmented, it would be difficult for FTD to risk losing sales of the books, and to minimise that, they might simply increase the prices further. This is the problem with a specialist collectors label that has a very small market and is one of the reasons why Sony do not offer a few variants of each mainstream release as it would be difficult for them to recover the individual costs for each variant.
...not sure I quite buy into this theory because you have to keep in mind that we are not talking a huge amount of books being produced here?...probably no more than the latest LP (3500) if that?? so release the audio 12-18 months later. When FTD release these books they should not advertise at the same time "but the audio is coming soon on a separate release"...it`s all about timing here.
Can you imagine how some would react to that. Those fans who reluctantly made the purchase are not exactly going to be very happy when a year later, FTD suddenly reveal they are going to release the audio separately. It’s not a good business decision because once they do that, then for the next release, those fans will never invest in the expensive product again - they’ll just wait in anticipation….. This will cause FTD a problem because once they realise sales will be smaller, they will have to increase the unit price to cover the fixed costs.
Regarding the low print run on the books, this is the problem with such a small market and I really doubt FTD would print up that number of copies you mention because it would not be viable to have money tied up for a long time. FTD will have invested a lot of money in getting these to market and they will want a return sooner rather than later - they cannot afford to have even a small number of say 500 sitting around on their shelves and will likely order the print runs based on pre-orders plus a small percentage. Likewise, dealers are not going to have the cash to buy into ordering lots of copies in the hope they will sell, so will likewise place orders based on pre-orders plus a small percentage for the latecomers.
well then the reality is this...less complaining when these things are announced.
just a number I threw out...or a guess nothing more.
I don't have a problem with these releases (I have them all) but I would say that when they are sold out or at least close to that...then re-issue the audio for those who said no to the books...problem solved. Unless I am totally missing something at FTD`s end or SONY for that matter (which i could very well be)?? It's not like you are interfering with sales if the books are no longer available
The problem with that is that at the moment, you’ll still get some fans who will somewhat reluctantly buy the big expensive set so FTD will still get the sale of the books, which is the most expensive part of the release. . However if those fans know that FTD will later re-issue the audio, those fans will simply hold off resulting in less books being sold.
With such a limited market, and one that becomes fragmented, it would be difficult for FTD to risk losing sales of the books, and to minimise that, they might simply increase the prices further. This is the problem with a specialist collectors label that has a very small market and is one of the reasons why Sony do not offer a few variants of each mainstream release as it would be difficult for them to recover the individual costs for each variant.
As much as it is very nice to get these luxury sets, how detrimental would it be if they simply put them out with just one book and less pages making them more affordable from the outset.
The problem with that is that at the moment, you’ll still get some fans who will somewhat reluctantly buy the big expensive set so FTD will still get the sale of the books, which is the most expensive part of the release. . However if those fans know that FTD will later re-issue the audio, those fans will simply hold off resulting in less books being sold.
With such a limited market, and one that becomes fragmented, it would be difficult for FTD to risk losing sales of the books, and to minimise that, they might simply increase the prices further. This is the problem with a specialist collectors label that has a very small market and is one of the reasons why Sony do not offer a few variants of each mainstream release as it would be difficult for them to recover the individual costs for each variant.
...not sure I quite buy into this theory because you have to keep in mind that we are not talking a huge amount of books being produced here?...probably no more than the latest LP (3500) if that?? so release the audio 12-18 months later. When FTD release these books they should not advertise at the same time "but the audio is coming soon on a separate release"...it`s all about timing here.
Can you imagine how some would react to that. Those fans who reluctantly made the purchase are not exactly going to be very happy when a year later, FTD suddenly reveal they are going to release the audio separately. It’s not a good business decision because once they do that, then for the next release, those fans will never invest in the expensive product again - they’ll just wait in anticipation….. This will cause FTD a problem because once they realise sales will be smaller, they will have to increase the unit price to cover the fixed costs.
Regarding the low print run on the books, this is the problem with such a small market and I really doubt FTD would print up that number of copies you mention because it would not be viable to have money tied up for a long time. FTD will have invested a lot of money in getting these to market and they will want a return sooner rather than later - they cannot afford to have even a small number of say 500 sitting around on their shelves and will likely order the print runs based on pre-orders plus a small percentage. Likewise, dealers are not going to have the cash to buy into ordering lots of copies in the hope they will sell, so will likewise place orders based on pre-orders plus a small percentage for the latecomers.
well then the reality is this...less complaining when these things are announced.
just a number I threw out...or a guess nothing more.
I guess some will hope that by complaining, the message will get back to FTD, although by now, it’s probably too late as they are following a path set out several years ago. I still cannot understand why they ever went down this route of 400 page books, but it seems to be the norm - Lorentzen does it and puts out double or triple sets.
But as long as they clear their print run, they seem to be happy otherwise they wouldn’t keep putting them out. But it seems they are prepared to alienate those who simply cannot afford these luxury releases. Of course, this project has been in the making for a few years now and probably started before the Russia/Ukraine war kicked off resulting in this current cost of living crisis so I guess difficult to scale back now without taking a bit of a hit.
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I don't have a problem with these releases (I have them all) but I would say that when they are sold out or at least close to that...then re-issue the audio for those who said no to the books...problem solved. Unless I am totally missing something at FTD`s end or SONY for that matter (which i could very well be)?? It's not like you are interfering with sales if the books are no longer available
The problem with that is that at the moment, you’ll still get some fans who will somewhat reluctantly buy the big expensive set so FTD will still get the sale of the books, which is the most expensive part of the release. . However if those fans know that FTD will later re-issue the audio, those fans will simply hold off resulting in less books being sold.
With such a limited market, and one that becomes fragmented, it would be difficult for FTD to risk losing sales of the books, and to minimise that, they might simply increase the prices further. This is the problem with a specialist collectors label that has a very small market and is one of the reasons why Sony do not offer a few variants of each mainstream release as it would be difficult for them to recover the individual costs for each variant.
As much as it is very nice to get these luxury sets, how detrimental would it be if they simply put them out with just one book and less pages making them more affordable from the outset.
no
Oh please do elaborate.
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As far as I am concerned FTD can fold up their tents right now. Ernst is no longer in touch with the Elvis fans simply wanting to purchase his music,but instead must buy expensive, unwanted books to get the music. Ftd will lose sales because people like me will not purchase the books/cds combo but would have purchased the music only. And frankly I do not care anymore. Of course there are people on this forum who will have to have this, giving in to FTD's high dollar demands. And those people are the reason that Ernest continues to put out these expensive sets, knowing there are plenty suckers around. Well not me.Stick it Ernst and Ftd!
Spare a thought for the Elvis book collectors who can't afford to buy the expensive books. Did you realise there are many more books released about Elvis each year, than CDs and vinyl?
I don't have a problem with these releases (I have them all) but I would say that when they are sold out or at least close to that...then re-issue the audio for those who said no to the books...problem solved. Unless I am totally missing something at FTD`s end or SONY for that matter (which i could very well be)?? It's not like you are interfering with sales if the books are no longer available
The problem with that is that at the moment, you’ll still get some fans who will somewhat reluctantly buy the big expensive set so FTD will still get the sale of the books, which is the most expensive part of the release. . However if those fans know that FTD will later re-issue the audio, those fans will simply hold off resulting in less books being sold.
With such a limited market, and one that becomes fragmented, it would be difficult for FTD to risk losing sales of the books, and to minimise that, they might simply increase the prices further. This is the problem with a specialist collectors label that has a very small market and is one of the reasons why Sony do not offer a few variants of each mainstream release as it would be difficult for them to recover the individual costs for each variant.
As much as it is very nice to get these luxury sets, how detrimental would it be if they simply put them out with just one book and less pages making them more affordable from the outset.
no
Oh please do elaborate.
It's Spellbinder, the comment is probably about 'less' having been used instead of 'fewer'.
I don't have a problem with these releases (I have them all) but I would say that when they are sold out or at least close to that...then re-issue the audio for those who said no to the books...problem solved. Unless I am totally missing something at FTD`s end or SONY for that matter (which i could very well be)?? It's not like you are interfering with sales if the books are no longer available
The problem with that is that at the moment, you’ll still get some fans who will somewhat reluctantly buy the big expensive set so FTD will still get the sale of the books, which is the most expensive part of the release. . However if those fans know that FTD will later re-issue the audio, those fans will simply hold off resulting in less books being sold.
With such a limited market, and one that becomes fragmented, it would be difficult for FTD to risk losing sales of the books, and to minimise that, they might simply increase the prices further. This is the problem with a specialist collectors label that has a very small market and is one of the reasons why Sony do not offer a few variants of each mainstream release as it would be difficult for them to recover the individual costs for each variant.
As much as it is very nice to get these luxury sets, how detrimental would it be if they simply put them out with just one book and less pages making them more affordable from the outset.
no
Oh please do elaborate.
It's Spellbinder, the comment is probably about 'less' having been used instead of 'fewer'.
Oh yes, of course. Thanks. Those two words do seem to cause a little bit of confusion - fewer = countable and less = uncountable or something like that. but hey, it’s a forum so I guess we should be given a little leeway, shouldn’t we, especially when we get excited with the pros and cons of a forthcoming FTD Release :wink. Now I was thinking he/she was disagreeing with the possible sales situation, after all, some would say that the use of the word "no" just by itself, is not exactly crystal clear.
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Sony are now working on a special big deluxe Hawaii Set for mainstream that not only includes Blue Hawaii with outtakes etc, but all the Aloha stuff and as a bonus, the complete Paradise Hawaiian Style sessions. The Aloha recordings will include the original Quad mix worked to 5.1 on a BluRay disc. Advanced artwork.
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Elvis should have dressed down a bit for that shot.
I’ve always wondered what he was announcing to the spectators who must have gathered there. Maybe he was asking them if they wanted to hear a rousing rendition of Rock-a-Hula Baby.
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Elvis should have dressed down a bit for that shot.
I’ve always wondered what he was announcing to the spectators who must have gathered there. Maybe he was asking them if they wanted to hear a rousing rendition of Rock-a-Hula Baby.
Elvis should have dressed down a bit for that shot.
I’ve always wondered what he was announcing to the spectators who must have gathered there. Maybe he was asking them if they wanted to hear a rousing rendition of Rock-a-Hula Baby.
imagine Elvis doing that song in the `70s
Indeed and imagine him doing it in a suit similar to the one he wore in Blue Hawaii. Sometimes, it is like watching two different artists or maybe different brothers when watching Blue Hawaii and then Aloha.
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Living is easy with eyes closed...misunderstanding all you see...
Sony are now working on a special big deluxe Hawaii Set for mainstream that not only includes Blue Hawaii with outtakes etc, but all the Aloha stuff and as a bonus, the complete Paradise Hawaiian Style sessions. The Aloha recordings will include the original Quad mix worked to 5.1 on a BluRay disc. Advanced artwork.
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Sony are now working on a special big deluxe Hawaii Set for mainstream that not only includes Blue Hawaii with outtakes etc, but all the Aloha stuff and as a bonus, the complete Paradise Hawaiian Style sessions. The Aloha recordings will include the original Quad mix worked to 5.1 on a BluRay disc. Advanced artwork.
This is a joke right?
If it wasn't a joke, the complete "G!G!G!" sessions would also be included!
Sony are now working on a special big deluxe Hawaii Set for mainstream that not only includes Blue Hawaii with outtakes etc, but all the Aloha stuff and as a bonus, the complete Paradise Hawaiian Style sessions. The Aloha recordings will include the original Quad mix worked to 5.1 on a BluRay disc. Advanced artwork.
This is a joke right?
If it wasn't a joke, the complete "G!G!G!" sessions would also be included!
The obvious theme has Hawaii in the title used - Blue HAWAII, Aloha from HAWAII and Paradise HAWAIIAN Style. GGG does not, hence it is not included.
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Living is easy with eyes closed...misunderstanding all you see...
Sony are now working on a special big deluxe Hawaii Set for mainstream that not only includes Blue Hawaii with outtakes etc, but all the Aloha stuff and as a bonus, the complete Paradise Hawaiian Style sessions. The Aloha recordings will include the original Quad mix worked to 5.1 on a BluRay disc. Advanced artwork.
This is a joke right?
If it wasn't a joke, the complete "G!G!G!" sessions would also be included!
The obvious theme has Hawaii in the title used - Blue HAWAII, Aloha from HAWAII and Paradise HAWAIIAN Style. GGG does not, hence it is not included.
Hence it is not real.
PS. The title "Aloha From Elvis" does not exclude "G!G!G!" from being included.
Sony are now working on a special big deluxe Hawaii Set for mainstream that not only includes Blue Hawaii with outtakes etc, but all the Aloha stuff and as a bonus, the complete Paradise Hawaiian Style sessions. The Aloha recordings will include the original Quad mix worked to 5.1 on a BluRay disc. Advanced artwork.
This is a joke right?
If it wasn't a joke, the complete "G!G!G!" sessions would also be included!
The obvious theme has Hawaii in the title used - Blue HAWAII, Aloha from HAWAII and Paradise HAWAIIAN Style. GGG does not, hence it is not included.
Hence it is not real.
PS. The title "Aloha From Elvis" does not exclude "G!G!G!" from being included.
Of course it does. No one outside of the fan base would know where GGG was situated. I doubt anyone at Sony would be that clever to think about that.
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:wink. Now I was thinking he/she was disagreeing with the possible sales situation, after all, some would say that the use of the word "no" just by itself, is not exactly crystal clear.
