FTD / Flaming Star - The Making Of Blue Hawaii

[frus75]

[On Tape 1972]

You guys better call IT support.

[Spellbinder]

Thanks Mike and L Ray.
I now see that Keith only mentions The Making Of Blue Hawaii in the list of March 22, 1961
The title is not listed in the March 21 and 23 sessions.

It's listed on all 3 sessions. I had the same problem you seem to be having. Try loading the pages and clicking the refresh button. It worked for me.

[L Ray]

Thanks Mike and L Ray.
I now see that Keith only mentions The Making Of Blue Hawaii in the list of March 22, 1961
The title is not listed in the March 21 and 23 sessions.

It's listed on all 3 sessions. I had the same problem you seem to be having. Try loading the pages and clicking the refresh button. It worked for me.

Yes, it is listed for every single Blue Hawaii take on all session dates. Nothing is missing.

[Shawn1968]

Not that it will stop me from purchasing the set but I kinda wish the movie version of ‘Almost Always True’ was included - the gaps w/out Joan Blackman‘s vocals have always struck me as really odd on the released version, would be nice to have it as an alternative.

[Edwin]

Thx all.
I tried Firefox instead of Chrome and....it works! Now the updates are there.

[Red Rock Man]

I just read the following comment on Keith Flynns web site about the forthcoming FTD release: The Making Of Blue Hawaii.

Apart from being slightly edited, the most complete release of these sessions can be found on Follow That Dream's book and 4xCD set The Making Of Blue Hawaii, where everything RCA have, has been restored, remixed and remastered from the original 3-track tapes.

When the master takes were cut from the stereo session tapes, so were some of the take slates and count-in's, which is why some of the remixed masters appear without the take slates and count-in on The Making Of Blue Hawaii. They all remained intact on the mono session tapes.

What does that mean, slightly edited? Does that mean, for example, that session dialogues were cut out?
In the past i was very surprised at the Viva Las Vegas and Fun In Acapulco sessions because there is almost no studio talk. So i had the feeling that it was being cut.

Because of the fact that we all know weird cuts in many of FTD's releases, i have this feeling automatically now.

For example: I will absolutly never understand why on earth a collectors label cut out some funny mumbling and the start of "I Got A Woman" and the false start of "Help Me" out of the FTD release of "As Recorderd Live On Stage in Memphis". Later the complete concert came out on a main stream release in the Legacy editon without any cuts. So cuts for the collectors and complete for the main stream public? Oh - that make sense.

There are some more cases where unnecessarily cuts in concerts and sessions were determined

So what does slightly edited mean now?

The problem with the missing count-ins on the stereo tapes is annother thing.

[Shawn1968]

I just read the following comment on Keith Flynns web site about the forthcoming FTD release: The Making Of Blue Hawaii.

Apart from being slightly edited, the most complete release of these sessions can be found on Follow That Dream's book and 4xCD set The Making Of Blue Hawaii, where everything RCA have, has been restored, remixed and remastered from the original 3-track tapes.

When the master takes were cut from the stereo session tapes, so were some of the take slates and count-in's, which is why some of the remixed masters appear without the take slates and count-in on The Making Of Blue Hawaii. They all remained intact on the mono session tapes.

What does that mean, slightly edited? Does that mean, for example, that session dialogues were cut out?
In the past i was very surprised at the Viva Las Vegas and Fun In Acapulco sessions because there is almost no studio talk. So i had the feeling that it was being cut.

Because of the fact that we all know weird cuts in many of FTD's releases, i have this feeling automatically now.

For example: I will absolutly never understand why on earth a collectors label cut out some funny mumbling and the start of "I Got A Woman" and the false start of "Help Me" out of the FTD release of "As Recorderd Live On Stage in Memphis". Later the complete concert came out on a main stream release in the Legacy editon without any cuts. So cuts for the collectors and complete for the main stream public? Oh - that make sense.

There are some more cases where unnecessarily cuts in concerts and sessions were determined

So what does slightly edited mean now?

The problem with the missing count-ins on the stereo tapes is annother thing.

I’m guessing studio dialog was edited.

What I’m confused about is this part:

When the master takes were cut from the stereo session tapes, so were some of the take slates and count-in's, which is why some of the remixed masters appear without the take slates and count-in on The Making Of Blue Hawaii. They all remained intact on the mono session tapes.

The master takes weren’t cut from stereo session takes, they’re mixed down to stereo from 3-track masters. In the case of Blue Hawaii I believe the mono ‘masters’ are simply fold-downs of the stereo. So I’m not understanding how the take/slate numbers can only be found on the mono and not the stereo - they should be available on both as the mono masters are derived from the stereo masters, right?

[Red Rock Man]

I’m guessing studio dialog was edited.

That would be a big annoyance, because that's exactly what makes a complete session interesting.

And for a collectors label it must be a no go to cut something out!!!

Since we would have to pay so much money and then have to go back to the old LP´s from the 90´s to hear it completely, that would be absolutely unacceptable.

I´m looking forward to the release with mixed feelings now and I hope our fears are wrong.

[hm80ep]

Thx all.
I tried Firefix instead of Chrome and....it works! Now the updates are there.

It's all in the name of the browser, isn't it?

[Edwin]

Thx all.
I tried Firefox instead of Chrome and....it works! Now the updates are there.

It's all in the name of the browser, isn't it?

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[tinseltown]

I just read the following comment on Keith Flynns web site about the forthcoming FTD release: The Making Of Blue Hawaii.

Apart from being slightly edited, the most complete release of these sessions can be found on Follow That Dream's book and 4xCD set The Making Of Blue Hawaii, where everything RCA have, has been restored, remixed and remastered from the original 3-track tapes.

When the master takes were cut from the stereo session tapes, so were some of the take slates and count-in's, which is why some of the remixed masters appear without the take slates and count-in on The Making Of Blue Hawaii. They all remained intact on the mono session tapes.

What does that mean, slightly edited? Does that mean, for example, that session dialogues were cut out?
In the past i was very surprised at the Viva Las Vegas and Fun In Acapulco sessions because there is almost no studio talk. So i had the feeling that it was being cut.

Because of the fact that we all know weird cuts in many of FTD's releases, i have this feeling automatically now.

For example: I will absolutly never understand why on earth a collectors label cut out some funny mumbling and the start of "I Got A Woman" and the false start of "Help Me" out of the FTD release of "As Recorderd Live On Stage in Memphis". Later the complete concert came out on a main stream release in the Legacy editon without any cuts. So cuts for the collectors and complete for the main stream public? Oh - that make sense.

There are some more cases where unnecessarily cuts in concerts and sessions were determined

So what does slightly edited mean now?

The problem with the missing count-ins on the stereo tapes is annother thing.

When the master takes were cut from the stereo session tapes, so were some of the take slates and count-in's, which is why some of the remixed masters appear without the take slates and count-in on The Making Of Blue Hawaii. They all remained intact on the mono session tapes.

The master takes weren’t cut from stereo session takes, they’re mixed down to stereo from 3-track masters.

What makes you think they were not physically cut?
It was the standard procedure.

[tinseltown]

I just read the following comment on Keith Flynns web site about the forthcoming FTD release: The Making Of Blue Hawaii.

Apart from being slightly edited, the most complete release of these sessions can be found on Follow That Dream's book and 4xCD set The Making Of Blue Hawaii, where everything RCA have, has been restored, remixed and remastered from the original 3-track tapes.

When the master takes were cut from the stereo session tapes, so were some of the take slates and count-in's, which is why some of the remixed masters appear without the take slates and count-in on The Making Of Blue Hawaii. They all remained intact on the mono session tapes.

What does that mean, slightly edited? Does that mean, for example, that session dialogues were cut out?
In the past i was very surprised at the Viva Las Vegas and Fun In Acapulco sessions because there is almost no studio talk. So i had the feeling that it was being cut.

Because of the fact that we all know weird cuts in many of FTD's releases, i have this feeling automatically now.

For example: I will absolutly never understand why on earth a collectors label cut out some funny mumbling and the start of "I Got A Woman" and the false start of "Help Me" out of the FTD release of "As Recorderd Live On Stage in Memphis". Later the complete concert came out on a main stream release in the Legacy editon without any cuts. So cuts for the collectors and complete for the main stream public? Oh - that make sense.

There are some more cases where unnecessarily cuts in concerts and sessions were determined

So what does slightly edited mean now?

The problem with the missing count-ins on the stereo tapes is annother thing.

. So I’m not understanding how the take/slate numbers can only be found on the mono and not the stereo - they should be available on both as the mono masters are derived from the stereo masters, right?

Wrong.
There was an additional tape machine which only recorded in mono.

[Mike C]

I just read the following comment on Keith Flynns web site about the forthcoming FTD release: The Making Of Blue Hawaii.

Apart from being slightly edited, the most complete release of these sessions can be found on Follow That Dream's book and 4xCD set The Making Of Blue Hawaii, where everything RCA have, has been restored, remixed and remastered from the original 3-track tapes.

When the master takes were cut from the stereo session tapes, so were some of the take slates and count-in's, which is why some of the remixed masters appear without the take slates and count-in on The Making Of Blue Hawaii. They all remained intact on the mono session tapes.

What does that mean, slightly edited? Does that mean, for example, that session dialogues were cut out?
In the past i was very surprised at the Viva Las Vegas and Fun In Acapulco sessions because there is almost no studio talk. So i had the feeling that it was being cut.

Because of the fact that we all know weird cuts in many of FTD's releases, i have this feeling automatically now.

For example: I will absolutly never understand why on earth a collectors label cut out some funny mumbling and the start of "I Got A Woman" and the false start of "Help Me" out of the FTD release of "As Recorderd Live On Stage in Memphis". Later the complete concert came out on a main stream release in the Legacy editon without any cuts. So cuts for the collectors and complete for the main stream public? Oh - that make sense.

There are some more cases where unnecessarily cuts in concerts and sessions were determined

So what does slightly edited mean now?

The problem with the missing count-ins on the stereo tapes is annother thing.

. So I’m not understanding how the take/slate numbers can only be found on the mono and not the stereo - they should be available on both as the mono masters are derived from the stereo masters, right?

Wrong.
There was an additional tape machine which only recorded in mono.

At these recording sessions, Thorne Nogar ran two tape machines simultaneously -- a 3-track and a mono machine. The mono machine was the backup in case something went wrong with the 3-track tape. It was the mono tapes discarded by Radio Recorders which eventually found their way to Vic Colonna and Paul Dowling who used them for their seminal releases in the 1970s.

[AndrewJ]

Maybe the aforementioed 'edits' were for aesthetics - do we really need minutes of muffled talk or tuning up? Hopefully there emphasis is on Elvis and the control room, so we have all that on the release.

[Greg1995]

Some nice, unpublished pics for the "Blue Hawaii" fans. Happy Easter!

[elvis-fan]

Not that it will stop me from purchasing the set but I kinda wish the movie version of ‘Almost Always True’ was included - the gaps w/out Joan Blackman‘s vocals have always struck me as really odd on the released version, would be nice to have it as an alternative.

In that same respect, I always wondered why they used the version of Mexico on the Fun In Acapulco soundtrack where Elvis is only singing half the song as the master... instead of using take 7 where he's singing the entire song???

[ElSandro68]

Thx all.
I tried Firefox instead of Chrome and....it works! Now the updates are there.

If that happens, you have to clear the cache in Chrome, then it'll work.

[Edwin]

Thx ElSandro

[elvis-fan]

I apologize if this has already been mentioned in this thread but do we know who the Engineer was for this remix/remastering project?

[Josee]

Oneliner from “I Had A Dream” which was edited in after take 4 of “Slicin’ Sand”, but is actually from take 8. Anyway I’ve listened to take 4 on You Tube and I understand that he sings “Did you ever stand on a cold dark night”. I can’t find lyrics of “If I Had A Dream” with that line. Does somebody know from which song it actually is?

[frus75]

Oneliner from “I Had A Dream” which was edited in after take 4 of “Slicin’ Sand”, but is actually from take 8. Anyway I’ve listened to take 4 on You Tube and I understand that he sings “Did you ever stand on a dark corner”. I can’t find lyrics of “If I Had A Dream” with that line. Does somebody know from which song it actually is?

Wasn’t it “did you ever stay on a cold dark night”?

[king77]

I Had A Dream - Jimmy Swan 1952

[Josee]

I Had A Dream - Jimmy Swan 1952

Thanks a lot.

[davide]

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I apologize if this has already been mentioned in this thread but do we know who the Engineer was for this remix/remastering project?

Thanks
David