Cissy Houston On Elvis.

[rjm]

The fact that "Free Spirit" didn't even know her name says a lot. I thought you were speaking of someone else. Walker at first believed the same stereotype, but was willing to learn of the real circumstaces of the real person who was Elvis Presley.

Since YOU are ignorant of the nature of HER work and name-call, and show no knowledge of the history of the genesis of American music, what do want from her?

The blues emerged largely from work songs. The conditions of this "work" was rooted in brutality and injustice, most of it racially motivated. Significant numbers of poor whites were also similarly mistreated and they also made music from their misery. And there was an exchange, but one rooted in contact between the weakest and most abused and exploited in the system of agriculture {primarily} in the deep south.

Apparently, some enlightened Elvis admirers got in touch with Waker and she is now enlightened about him. And seems to be fascinated. If someone showed Angelou similar respect, and perhaps showed her the two recent documentaries about his childhood, perhaps she would see more than the "straw man" she now imagines.

Has she spoken to people from Tupelo? To Charles WSIR Johnson {LOOK IT UP YOURSELF}?
Perhaps some enlightened folks could bring them together? Does she know of the injustice suffered by the little Presley family when Vernon was put on a chain gang for what a historian called a "hunger crime"? Does she really know ANYTHING about him?

If her remarks are disturbing, as they sadden me, I would want to try. Both she and Elvis are worth it!

And you may NOT use racial slurs here. I will stridently complain as a citizen here.

rjm

[Free Spirit]

You have every right not to appreciate her work, but Maya Angelou is a one of America's great poets and writers. Just because she doesn't like Elvis and did get her facts terribly wrong in this interview doesn't mean you call her a "hag" or "talentless". She is neither. If she liked Elvis would she be "that wonderful older lady"?

I'm sure Ms Angelou couldn't care two hoots what is said about her on an Elvis Presley message board, but I and others care if she is attacked in this personal way. Play the opinion not the person. Her opinion is dead wrong and can be easily shown to be. It doesn't need an attack on her or her work. Too many times I have seen on this board a celebrity, usually black, will be quoted along the lines of "I don't get Elvis". Then it starts, "they have no talent", "they're sh@t", "who do they think they are". It doesn't reflect well on Board or the critical thinking ability of members of the Board.

Please don't abuse me for this message, I hold Maya Angelou in very high regard and I found the comments on this thread unessecary and offensive.

You are absoluely wrong!

I dont care whether or not she or anybody else likes elvis or not!
In that interview Angelou got the facts wrong, thats also not a big deal, but her RACIST rethoric is a problem!

Angelou is for sure a racist and that interview clearly shows that and as I said, exchange black with white in her statement and you will see how racist her talk actually is!

I can attack her as much as I want to and I have GOOD REASON! Why? because with her racist statements she outed herself as a racist and I have no respect for racist and thats why I can bash her all day long and I dont care what hard life she got, there is no justification for racism, I mean everybody got a sop story, but not eveybody become killers and Angelou is verbal killer.

As far as her "talent" is concerned, I think she is not talented, I heard her poem which she performed for clinton and I think it was arty-fart crap and I am free to say so and again she is a racist and with that everything else goes down the drain with it as far as I am concerned.

Before I forget, F+ck political correctness, PC is just another way to stifle free speech.

[Free Spirit]

The fact that "Free Spirit" didn't even know her name says a lot. I thought you were speaking of someone else. Walker at first believed the same stereotype, but was willing to learn of the real circumstaces of the real person who was Elvis Presley.

Since YOU are ignorant of the nature of HER work and name-call, and show no knowledge of the history of the genesis of American music, what do want from her?

The blues emerged largely from work songs. The conditions of this "work" was rooted in brutality and injustice, most of it racially motivated. Significant numbers of poor whites were also similarly mistreated and they also made music from their misery. And there was an exchange, but one rooted in contact between the weakest and most abused and exploited in the system of agriculture {primarily} in the deep south.

Apparently, some enlightened Elvis admirers got in touch with Waker and she is now enlightened about him. And seems to be fascinated. If someone showed Angelou similar respect, and perhaps showed her the two recent documentaries about his childhood, perhaps she would see more than the "straw man" she now imagines.

Has she spoken to people from Tupelo? To Charles WSIR Johnson {LOOK IT UP YOURSELF}?
Perhaps some enlightened folks could bring them together? Does she know of the injustice suffered by the little Presley family when Vernon was put on a chain gang for what a historian called a "hunger crime"? Does she really know ANYTHING about him?

If her remarks are disturbing, as they sadden me, I would want to try. Both she and Elvis are worth it!

And you may NOT use racial slurs here. I will stridently complain as a citizen here.

rjm

That interview of her clearly shows that she is a racist and thats enough reason to bash her all day long and believe me, she will not ever learn anything new, she is an old racist had and thats that!

[Free Spirit]

And you may NOT use racial slurs here. I will stridently complain as a citizen here.

rjm

racial slurs?

where did I use any racial slurs?

I warn you, I will not accept any smear campain from you, you are free to disagree with me, but you can not put words in my mouth I never said, so show me where I made any racial slures?

Its very funny, that old hag is not a racist to you, but you complain about racist slurs from me, which I did not even make? What kind of a person are you?

As I said before, I am german/cuban and I encomapss basically all races within myself, me being racist would somehow be very stupid, I would in that case offend myself.

here is a picture of my wife and me:



Go figure!

[drjohncarpenter]

Hey, did you ever pick up your copy of The Final Curtain?

[rjm]

"Free": You said "that means I can say the n-word" and you alluded to others that you said you have the right to say.

Not here. In fact, if you said that word in front of Elvis Presley, he'd kick your a-word.

IF you read books {you seem to prefer rude photographs as in your avatar}, the incident where he did just that to a temp yard man is in Jerry Hopkins' "Elvis."

rjm

[Free Spirit]

Hey, did you ever pick up your copy of The Final Curtain?

copies, not copy.

[rizzy56]

Hey, did you ever pick up your copy of The Final Curtain?

copies, not copy.

[Free Spirit]

"Free": You said "that means I can say the n-word" and you alluded to others that you said you have the right to say.

Not here. In fact, if you said that word in front of Elvis Presley, he'd kick your a-word.

IF you read books {you seem to prefer rude photographs as in your avatar}, the incident where he did just that to a temp yard man is in Jerry Hopkins' "Elvis."

rjm

There are clearly no racist slurs in my post, ergo your accusation is dead wrong in fact and if you would look at my picture it is idiotic too, because of my genetic background I could basically say
any racist thing and every time I would first and foremost insult myself and my family!
BTW: rap "artists" do it all the time.
Saying that I technically could say it, is not a racist slur, but if it hurts you so bad, write an open letter to 50 Cent, or better to Ice T, his complexion is more like mine and he says the n word all the time!

Now, I aint need a white boy (you) to teach me political correctness, because one: I don't care for political correctness, because it is a attempt to stifle free speech!
Two, I don't care about your obvious guilt complexes you and some Caucasian ppl carry around for all the things your forefathers have done in the past, you know all the exploitation and all that jazz, everybody has to answer for what they did, not for what their forefathers did, so you don't need to be defensive in behalf of ethic minorities and built a unit against the establishment ...

... seriously what a joke ...

I know for a fact that blacks secretly laugh their asses off, when white liberal guys jump in to defend them, or even push them to pull the race card and what not ...

You have the nerve to call me rude (did you not?), but yet it is okay for you to accuse me of something I never did and the thing with me not reading books ("get me another n*gger band"(sic) all the Elvis books r 100% true, right?) is just another baseless attempted character assassination, which you placed on your comments to get away from the actual point, which is that angela is a racist and that the interview shows that very clearly!

Long story short:

Maya Angelou is a racist! Evidence? This Video!




End of story!

[Free Spirit]

Hey, did you ever pick up your copy of The Final Curtain?

... oh and I did not picked them up either, they were delivered by ... let me think ... Fed Ex, or ups, UPS i mean, not ups, I am not sure, but I think it was UPS and and it took a long time to carry all those heavy packages (4 in 1) into my hide. f+ck me, thats so funny.

[rizzy56]

Hey, did you ever pick up your copy of The Final Curtain?

... oh and I did not picked them up either, they were delivered by ... let me think ... Fed Ex, or ups, UPS i mean, not ups, I am not sure, but I think it was UPS and and it took a long time to carry all those heavy packages (4 in 1) into my hide. f+ck me, thats so funny.

free that last link dont work could you repost anew one

[Free Spirit]

Hey, did you ever pick up your copy of The Final Curtain?

... oh and I did not picked them up either, they were delivered by ... let me think ... Fed Ex, or ups, UPS i mean, not ups, I am not sure, but I think it was UPS and and it took a long time to carry all those heavy packages (4 in 1) into my hide. f+ck me, thats so funny.

free that last link dont work could you repost anew one

sure, but it is the same as before, it should work:



Now, lets forget about that the angela woman mixes up the facts and all of that, just concentrating solely on her basic position and reviewing that honestly without giving her any minority credit, one has no other chance but to classify her as a racist.
In particular disturbing to me is her lamenting that white girls and women not being able (or don't want to?) to scream and lay on the floor for a black singer at that time, but did it for Elvis.
This absolutely takes the cake, she is basically saying that those screaming female Elvis fans are racist, because they don't get turned on at a black singer as they would get turned on by Elvis

One has to think about that one, so if a girl finds a white singer sexy, she is NOT a racist ONLY if she is also a fan of a black singer and behaves just as nuts as she would with the white singer?!

If Sarah Palin would say something like that the other way around she would be crucified, I guaranty you that.


PS. I find it very racist that girls dont react as nuts to asian stars as to non-asian stars! Cant they not free themselfs for their racism and also hurl their panties & bras at jackie chan as much as they did to van-damme? When will they ever learn? We humans are buch of scum bags, are we not?

[rjm]

First of all, I am not a boy. I am a woman.

Secondly, I do not like her views on the subject. And I do not feel guilty regarding slavery because my grandparents did not yey live here nor in a slaving nation. But as a person defined as white, I benefit from it.
No point feeling guilty when one can do things about it. Elvis lived UNDER the ghetto for a time so he had a right to sing the blues.

If you really believe Dunleavy over Hopkins' first excellent book, you gotta be kiddin.' Sonny said many of the words used {such as "hopping mad"} were Dunleavy's; not their's. Hopkins goes from direct witness testimony to an incident to which the cops were called. He did original research beynd his version of what three people told him. This was JUST the type of incident that was sensationalized. And Sonny has cnfirmed this intrusion. He does not get specific.

And I do not agree with rappers or whomever using slurs no matter who they are.

Peace.
I'm outtie.
rjm

[Free Spirit]

First of all, I am not a boy. I am a woman.

Secondly, I do not like her views on the subject. And I do not feel guilty regarding slavery because my grandparents did not yey live here nor in a slaving nation. But as a person defined as white, I benefit from it.
No point feeling guilty when one can do things about it. Elvis lived UNDER the ghetto for a time so he had a right to sing the blues.

If you really believe Dunleavy over Hopkins' first excellent book, you gotta be kiddin.' Sonny said many of the words used {such as "hopping mad"} were Dunleavy's; not their's. Hopkins goes from direct witness testimony to an incident to which the cops were called. He did original research beynd his version of what three people told him. This was JUST the type of incident that was sensationalized. And Sonny has cnfirmed this intrusion. He does not get specific.

And I do not agree with rappers or whomever using slurs no matter who they are.

Peace.
I'm outtie.
rjm

1st I dont care what sex you are, really I dont.

2nd You did again not address my point, which was, is and will be, that this angela is a racist and you did NOT come up with any, not even the slightest, evidence that I am wrong, so I have to assume that you agree with me on that term, I can perfectly live with that. LOL

3rd The fact that you did not come up with any valueable point that the angela is in fact not a racist, does not just show that I am undisputed in that matter, but also what kind of person you are!
You shockingly clear displaying irgonrance and I bet you would be one of those who would shoot the messanger, instead of dealing with the message (figuratively speaking, just in case you willfully misunderstand me again)!

I personally believe, that your attitue concerning the truth is totally immoral, but thats just my opinion, I am sure you just mean well and who cares if something is immoral, as long as ppl are not rude, all is applepie.

it reminds me about the talks about islamic terror, there really lots of liberal out there who bashing islamcritics, but seam to be perfectly okay with the by now over 17,500 islamic terror attacks since 9/11 and those islamic terror attacks cant possible have anything to do with islam, but as soon as a SINGLE non-muslim attack comes along in norway it has got something to do with robert spencer and Glenn Beck and that only because Robert Spencer is mentioned in a quote of a quote of somebody else in that norvergian sickos manifest. Only evil paranoid ppl could think that there might be a double standard there. I am glad that the fact that angela is a racist and you are obviously not willing to face it, will not endanger the freedom of free speech in the west, but those islamic terror deniers, the holocaust deniers operate exactly in the MO than you, they attack the messanger and refuse to deal with the problem. Just to make somthing clear, this was just an example, to show you how dangerous ignorance can be!

[promiseland]

After watching the video of Maya Angelou earlier in this post , it seems she is claiming Elvis only got to be where he was at in the music industry because of the color of his skin , with Completely overlooking anything about his talent - I would have to say in my opinon - she is racist.beyond a resonable doubt it is people like her that keep us all seperated,

[Elvisfan10]

After watching the video of Maya Angelou earlier in this post , it seems she is claiming Elvis only got to be where he was at in the music industry because of the color of his skin , with Completely overlooking anything about his talent - I would have to say in my opinon - she is racist.beyond a resonable doubt it is people like her that keep us all seperated,

In some ways because of the time period it would easily seem like he got to where he was because of his skin color, but on the other hand if people making those assumptions were really knowledgeable about Elvis than they would know that he had a major hurtle to get over in the business and wasn’t always well received by the public. There was nothing easy about Elvis getting his foot through the door or holding onto that success. He had to gain the approval of both whites and blacks.

[rjm]

What counts is to let as many people know the truth and the complexity as possible.
"Understanding solves all problems."
Elvis loved this catch phrase from the song.

rjm